2024 Oracle Red Bull Racing F1 Team

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Wouter
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lio007 wrote:
22 Dec 2024, 10:49
Wouter wrote:
21 Dec 2024, 22:50
Well, that is fine by me. why is your tone towards me so coercive and aggressive? At least that is how it comes across to me.
Can I ask you something? Why is your tone towards me so coercive and aggressive? At least that is how it comes across to me.
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Sorry Wouter... it was not at all meant to be coercive or aggressive.
I really tried to be as neutral as possible. Obviously I failed to hit the tone, as you know English is not my first language :|

Honestly no, I obviously did not ask 90% of the F1 fans. In my opinion: I don't think 90% think Liam is the wrong choice.
I stopped reading social media reactions, it's not good for my mood and mental health :D . For me social media is not a reference any more as there are always groups that have their own agenda. (I mean, what else should a Yuki or Checo fan do than saying Liam is the wrong one.)

Ok, it seems I've missed that Daniel is mad at CH. At least I can't remember certain "Christian vs. Daniel" situations from my side.
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English is also not my native language and I may have misunderstood it.
In any case, thanks for your answer.
I think Ricciardo was angry because he was supposed to replace Perez after the summer break and that fell through at the
very last moment and now the very inexperienced Liam gets his seat and the way more experienced Yuki is skipped.
Maybe something like that? He most likely assumes that this was Horner's decision, but it was Marko's decision.
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Wouter wrote:
22 Dec 2024, 11:14
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English is also not my native language and I may have misunderstood it.
In any case, thanks for your answer.
I think Ricciardo was angry because he was supposed to replace Perez after the summer break and that fell through at the
very last moment and now the very inexperienced Liam gets his seat and the way more experienced Yuki is skipped.
Maybe something like that? He most likely assumes that this was Horner's decision, but it was Marko's decision.
Thank you Wouter!

Anyway, I'm excited for the new season ahead, will be an interesting one.
It also will be the last year of preparation for RBPT. I'd really like to be a fly on the wall to get how things are going there.

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lio007 wrote:
22 Dec 2024, 12:12
Wouter wrote:
22 Dec 2024, 11:14
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English is also not my native language and I may have misunderstood it.
In any case, thanks for your answer.
I think Ricciardo was angry because he was supposed to replace Perez after the summer break and that fell through at the
very last moment and now the very inexperienced Liam gets his seat and the way more experienced Yuki is skipped.
Maybe something like that? He most likely assumes that this was Horner's decision, but it was Marko's decision.
Thank you Wouter!

Anyway, I'm excited for the new season ahead, will be an interesting one.
It also will be the last year of preparation for RBPT.

I'd really like to be a fly on the wall to get how things are going there.
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:D :lol: Me too!
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With regards to the Checo/Liam/Yuki/Dan question, as a McLaren fan and therefore not as close a follower as an RB fan, my take is...

1. Ideally Checo would've been close to Max, but this year has been a complete bust for him. Continuity would've been ideal but it's just not possible.
2. Next they wanted Dan but for his age and experience they wanted to see him totally dominate Yuki, which quite clearly didn't happen. Without that his age worked against him.
3. Yuki would've been the next choice but for all his speed I suspect his mentality has been the issue. Max's teammate will be competing at the front of the field against the best driver on the grid. They can't afford for the other driver to be mentally weak in any way whatsoever and unfortunately Yuki's outbursts over the years have worked against him here.
4. Which leaves Liam who has shown that although inexperienced in F1 is pretty much on a par with Yuki speed-wise, and shown better mental robustness. In an ideal world he would've had at least a full season under his belt but I'm presuming that the RB tests he did have shown that he can adapt to the car. I also think his time in DTM has proven to the team that he can perform under pressure (as terrible as the last race was).

So I can understand RBs decision and hope it all works out, but equally I'd love to see Yuki continue in F1 (maybe AM?).

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Analysis
Premium. Christian Horner lijdt gevoelige nederlaag in interne machtsstrijd die maar blijft voortduren


https://www.limburger.nl/sport/auto-mot ... 17248.html

This is the translation of an article published last Tuesday in The Limburger, but it is behind the pay wall.
Hence the whole thing translated by DeepL.
Credits: @Cyril Ratatouille

‘Sergio Pérez announces he is leaving the team’. It was the headline of the press release that Red Bull Racing sent out into the ether around 6pm on Wednesday. Yes, really. According to the report, the Mexican, who had been given a new two-year contract back in June this year, would himself choose to take his pick and tear up his contract after a lousy season.

In an exclusive interview with British Sky later in the evening, team boss Christian Horner explained Pérez's choice. Among other things, Horner explained how great Pérez is and that he has meant an incredible amount to Red Bull Racing. And that he had earned some extra time with his family for that reason. And all with a face of steel. It looked like cabaret...

Based on the hundreds of comments under the video, it is safe to conclude that nobody believes in the team boss's nice talk anymore. That station has been passed by now. It is also crystal clear to them that it is not Pérez's own choice to quit Formula 1, but one made by the team. And rightly so, by the way. The Mexican's performance was downright lousy.
That this particular news item was chosen is the painful compromise of a fierce battle that took place behind the scenes in recent weeks between Red Bull Racing's lawyers and Pérez's. The Mexican initially refused to give up his place because he has a legally valid contract. But when it became clear to him that racing alongside Verstappen in 2025 is no longer an option, he decided to enter the negotiations with two stretched legs.

Initially, Pérez reportedly wanted $100 million. On the one hand to voluntarily renounce his contract, but also for the image damage he had suffered through the whole saga. However paltry he came off in interviews by Horner and top advisor Helmut Marko in the last few months, Pérez and his team also felt pretty quickly that a hundred million dollars was not realistic. A settlement was eventually reached, reportedly somewhere around $15 million.

Not a bad deal from Pérez's point of view. It was rather bizarre earlier in June this year that Checo was offered a new two-year contract by his team boss when things were not going his way. Horner was in dire straits at the time because of allegations of sexually transgressive behaviour and the internal power struggle going on. He could well use a strong ally at the time. By offering Pérez a new fat contract, he at least had the full backing of at least one side of the garage again.

Ironically, it is now Horner who ensures Pérez has to clear the field. Although the Briton could no longer do otherwise as shareholders began to add considerable pressure in the second half of the season. Red Bull Racing's loss of the constructors' championship this year caused a shift in Red Bull's top ranks.
Whereas Horner had previously been supported in all his choices, the vision of top advisor Marko was now chosen.
The latter wanted Liam Lawson in Pérez's place and Isack Hadjar in Racing Bulls vacant seat. The fact that this has now happened
shows that Horner has taken a big hit in the internal power struggle that seems to have no end in sight.
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Continued witch hunt by Dutch media, throwing CH under the bus. What else is new?

According to previous reports with actual quotes, Helmet Marko was the one who was actually more supportive of Tsunoda. Horner has always been more dismissive of Yuki, hence his gamble on Ricciardo and now the long-shot bet on Lawson.

Anyway, its not my intend to defend Horner. I think he fumbled it big time, and has generally a poor handle on driver hirings and develoment.

On the brighter side, if taken with a grain of salt; "This Is Formula 1" on Facebook reporting that RB21 has passed the crash test.

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I would agree that Marko was more on Yuki's side than Horner

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I'll just go with the driver that's there to take the next available amount of points to maximise the teams points tally over the weekend.

2 opposition cars vs Max wouldn't work for strategy. We need 2 cars that can play against others, be there to pick up the most amount of points and regularly be on the podium.
Mess with the Bull - you get the horns.