LM10 wrote: ↑24 Jul 2018, 16:27
Wynters wrote: ↑24 Jul 2018, 15:36
Mamba wrote: ↑24 Jul 2018, 14:28
If anything Merc's Hamilton favourtism is higher and certainly more clear than Ferrari's Vettel favourtism.
Remind us, Bottas has won races with Mercedes...how many races has Raikonnen been allowed to win? How many times has he let Vettel through, even when he was in a better position (such as at this GP when there was rain forecast meaning they all looked like they would have to make one more pitstop and he had track position)? How many times has Vettel let him back through?
All the teams use team orders, there is no 'holier than thou' on this issue. To pretend otherwise is madness.
When was Kimi in such a race winning position as Bottas has been a few times this season (at least Baku)? And he would have won at least once, if it was not for unlucky incidents.
Kimi unfortunately mostly let it slip through his hands when it matters most. In Hockenheim he was leading, but I doubt that Vettel would have pitted a second time. The top teams knew that rain was about to come for just a few minutes. That’s why Hamilton got slicks as well.
So Kimi and Vettel were on different strategies and Ferrari’s call to let Vettel through was way too late.
Hamilton got slicks because he told the pits that he had one lap left in those tyres so they had to pit him. As it wasn't raining, what else were they going to put on? How many laps do you think Intermediates can do in the dry at a competitive speed? Did you see the lap times of those who had Intermediates on even when it was actually raining? As for the rain itself, if the clouds had drifted
slightly further south the track would have been wet. As we regularly see, predicting the exact time, density and coverage of the rain is very rare, even when the clouds are only a mile away.
We know now that the rain and saftey car would coincide and that the rain wouldn't fall heavily enough during the race to require Inters. They didn't know when they ordered Kimi to let Seb through. 'But', you might say, 'Seb was faster so he should be let through.' Fair enough, even with neither of them under threat given their superior package at this track, better to secure the win. I totally agree. But apparently that wasn't the case in Hungary last year. They were more than willing to risk Kimi in order to protect Seb then. More than that, given how badly Seb was limping, if a Mercedes had passed Kimi, Seb would have had no defence so they were actually risking both their positions just to increase the chances that Seb, specifically, will win.
To be clear, I'm not criticising this. It's just F1. Might as well complain about water being wet.
Every team uses team orders. Most (all) teams will favour a WDC candidate over one that isn't as the extra publicity is valuable. All teams will claim that they don't use team orders exactly because of all this childish fan whining about 'my team is better than your team'. It's laughable that teams were clearer about Team Orders when it was actually illegal than they were last weekend. In general, claims by fans on all sides that 'their' (
) team is morally superior in these regards only show how disconnected from reality those fans are. The people who claimed that Seb "Forgot to steer so shouldn't have had a penalty" in Baku or that Hamilton "didn't cross any lines and so shouldn't have had any penalty" in Hockenheim are the same people who claim that their team doesn't use TOs or that, somehow, 'their' team orders aren't exactly the same as everybody elses'.
