New concerns about Renault engine supply

[WhiteBlue]

F1technical reports at the front page that Red Bull and Didi Mateschitz are concerned about their mid term supply of Renault engines.

If the pull out happens F1 would be left with Ferrari and Mercedes as traditional manufacturers and the independent come back Cosworth. Looking at that prospect I'm really happy that the FiA pushed for viable business conditions that eventually enabled Cosworth to come back. An engine duopoly at this time would certainly be much more damaging to the sport than having one or two teams more or less.

[mx_tifoso]

And with the team being renamed in a few seasons, under the Genii management, there wouldn't be any problems for the existing team to use customer engines. RBR should better start looking elsewhere for engines, preferably a season before Renault completely pulls out so that they're not left with a last minute engine swap.

RBR-Mercedes?

I can't believe there are only 4 different engines right now, and 3 in a year or two. We had 2 more just last year, and 3 more up until the end of '08.

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[Giblet]

Since Renault is split into two facilities, it would be very easy to sell the engine side.

Vichy and Cologne I believe, although I can't remember which is the engine side and which is the chassis side.

Red Bull should just buy the engine side with his soda money, and supply to both STR and themselves, and whoever else. The guys could stay employed, and there would be little need to do anything other than get new business cards printed up.

[horse]

I can see how an engine duopoly would be a bad thing, but what about going all the way to a single engine supplier. Surely this is the long term ideal of equalisation anyway, so why not just take the plunge and use a single engine? It would make the racing closer.

[mx_tifoso]

I can see how an engine duopoly would be a bad thing, but what about going all the way to a single engine supplier. Surely this is the long term ideal of equalisation anyway, so why not just take the plunge and use a single engine? It would make the racing closer.

Do you seriously think that a single spec engine would go through as long as Ferrari are here? If it wasn't theirs of course.

[WhiteBlue]

Many people in F1 will soon be glad Max brought Cosworth back.

[Fil]

Since Renault is split into two facilities.. ..Vichy and Cologne I believe..

Viry (Fr) for engine manufacturing, Enstone (GB) for Chassis

Many people in F1 will soon be glad Max brought Cosworth back.

Introducing any engine manufacturer is a good thing. Forcing entrants to use it was not.

Engines just aren't the differentiation they used to be. So, just like tyres, they're mentioned very rarely. Hardly a useful marketing tool, so why pour money into developing them?

You need differentiation in the engine formula for this to become a talking point again.


For engine manufacturer numbers to increase, they are waiting for a sufficient answer to their 1 unanimous question.. "Whats in it for me?"
If the engine regs in 2013 are right, we'll see a return to higher numbers.

[Edis]

Since Renault is split into two facilities, it would be very easy to sell the engine side.

Vichy and Cologne I believe, although I can't remember which is the engine side and which is the chassis side.

Red Bull should just buy the engine side with his soda money, and supply to both STR and themselves, and whoever else. The guys could stay employed, and there would be little need to do anything other than get new business cards printed up.

Renault Sport S.A.S. is at Viry Chatillon, France, where engine design is done. Though, I think Mecachrome are still responsible for machining, assembly, and delivery of the engines. As long the freeze is in effect, it would probably be possible to rebadge the engine and use it anyway if Renault decided to quit. In the past Renault engines have been rebranded as Mechachrome, Supertec and Playlife (Benetton).

The car is made in Enstone, UK.

Colonge, Germany, is Toyota Motorsport Gmbh.

[Scuderia_Russ]

I'm really happy that the FiA pushed for viable business conditions that eventually enabled Cosworth to come back.

Not often Max gets the praise he deserves / deserved IMO. I agree completely.

[Pandamasque]

I'm really happy that the FiA pushed for viable business conditions that eventually enabled Cosworth to come back.

Not often Max gets the praise he deserves / deserved IMO. I agree completely.

Let's thank him for getting rid of many manufacturers too.

[autogyro]

I'm really happy that the FiA pushed for viable business conditions that eventually enabled Cosworth to come back.

Not often Max gets the praise he deserves / deserved IMO. I agree completely.

Let's thank him for getting rid of many manufacturers too.

You should blame international banking for that not Max.

[Pandamasque]

You should blame international banking for that not Max.

No, it's about shambles of Cosworth coming in and being on par with manufacturers who can invest cubic billions and achieve nothing. What's the point of investing in F1 to be average at best when one can use that money to win in sportscars and WRC.

[autogyro]

Of course if you were correct which you are not, there would be no engines at all for F1 by mid season.
It is never a good idea to rely on the two faced manufacturers, Ferrari is always proving this.

[Dukeage]

One outfit that might possibly join could be Proton, bearing in mind their involvement in the new Lotus outfit. Weren't VW also mentioned?

It isn't preferable, but isn't the end of the world if we get three next year, bearing in mind the plans to introduce new technical regulations, presumably turbos around 1600cc. The question is when the decision will be taken and when the rules will come in.

[autogyro]

One outfit that might possibly join could be Proton, bearing in mind their involvement in the new Lotus outfit. Weren't VW also mentioned?

It isn't preferable, but isn't the end of the world if we get three next year, bearing in mind the plans to introduce new technical regulations, presumably turbos around 1600cc. The question is when the decision will be taken and when the rules will come in.

Hopefuly when the FIA appoint the correct person to run F1.