2021 Italian Grand Prix - Monza, Sep 10 - 12

[e30ernest]

Hmmm that Hamilton vs Verstappen incident is borderline. Lewis could have given Max more room there. Then again, Max had done that several times to Lewis so I'm thinking the gloves are off from Hamilton now. However, I do think Lewis will get penalized here.

Man thank goodness for the Halo. That crash could have been much much worse.

Great job for McLaren! 1-2 finally! I am so happy for Daniel. Hopefully he'll be back for good. Lando is right up there as well. Maybe Lando had more ultimate pace here, but Daniel still finished first.

Good job from Bottas coming back to the podium from 19th. Granted it was gifted to him by Perez' penalty, it was still a very good drive from Bottas.

[El Scorchio]

I would not call Lewis entitled to the corner, he was allot slower comping out of the pits and Verstappen was significant alongside, so Lewis had to leave a space.

Racing incident

Let me guess. On lap 1 Verstappen was in the right there too. Correct?

That's exactly it. Quite happy to 'get his elbows out', leave no space and make the other guy yield or crash, but then when roles are reversed...

[politburo]

Bottas so timid at the end, I understand Perez was aggressive because he has nothing to lose, but Bottas should've done better than 3rd. Good recovery from the back though.

[ringo]

Look at each cars line. Clear as day.

Max should have braked and line up behind lewis from this video. He just get his foot in to cut across Lewis exit. He had enough space on track. Just red mist and fear of Lewis.
Lewis is the moral champion this year. Redbull and Max have been very nasty all year.

[Restomaniac]

Come on guys, cleary racing incident. No one of the two will give up when they enter the chicane, is logical. Max was on left kerb and beside lewis, why should turn left before the curve is f8nished. And lewis pushed the max he could without pushing out a car.

You mean apart from on lap one obviously when Hamilton did.

[Ryar]

Anyone that thinks Max was not alongside.

[nzjrs]

Looks like a racing incident like Silverstone and both again making a point of not conceding in decisive situations.

At least this one pays out pain equally to both, in terms of points lost, and the championship stays tight at the top.

[politburo]

Hamilton has a right to the apex of turn 2. He doesn't need to open the door

There are no rights if there is a car alongside. Austria clearly established it.

He wasn't alongside

He was, unless ofcoutrse you haven't seen it. It's almost ridiculous you're now inventing new realities, I only wonder: to what end?.

[Restomaniac]

Looks like a racing incident like Silverstone and both again making a point of not conceding in decisive situations.

At least this one pays out pain equally to both, in terms of points lost, and the championship stays tight at the top.

You missed the start of the race then?

[Spacepace]

Anyone that thinks Max was not alongside.

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[Just_a_fan]

Shame some people on this board can't stay consistent. Max's fault this time because his nose wasn't in front, yet Silverstone it was Max's fault because he should have just left room, even though Lewis didn't have his nose in front.

There's a difference between the inside of the corner and the outside and the entry to the corner and the exit of a corner.

You have to leave a car's width, no matter where you are. Simple rule, which Lewis didn't follow.

Lap one - did Max leave a car's width in the second chicane? No.

In that situation, Hamilton realised he wouldn't make it and bailed out to avoid the obvious result. Max's response is to just expect Hamilton to avoid him in the same situation in the later incident.

And the "leave a car's width" is when coming back across track having moved off line to defend on approach to a corner, not halfway through a corner like a chicane.

[sosic2121]

Vest must be penalized.

He almost killed HAM.

Agreed. That was a torpedo with the rear wheel dipping into the Halo on Lewis's head.

So penalty because Hamilton was almost killed?
Interesting argument

[politburo]

It's a chicane and it's Hamilton's corner. Verstappen has to overtake and react to what Hamilton is doing. Why should Hamilton yield, he was probably expecting Verstappen to back out but he "SEND IT!"

That's not how it works. They only say leave a car's width, so cars don't go off track. They don't instruct anyone to yield, that at the end of the day is your own opinion who should yield. But all this nonsense about who is ahead gets the corner is just senseless, if you are ahead still side by side you must leave the space, and sadly, one driver didn't and the collided rear tyres which DNF'd both. It's really that simple.

Verstappen had space but he decided to use a kerb to stay within Hamilton and he lost control

You should really ponder over the things you're about to post. You sound like you're just trolling. Please I beg you to stop, we've all seen multiple replays, he was alongside and got squeezed off the track. Fullstop.

[dans79]

Looks like a racing incident like Silverstone and both again making a point of not conceding in decisive situations.

At least this one pays out pain equally to both, in terms of points lost, and the championship stays tight at the top.

But unlike in Silverstone, it would have been much easier for max to bail out in the chicane.

he got a 5 second penalty in japan 2018 for going off the track in the final chicane and them coming back on and hitting kimi! He could get the same thing here.

[Mattyw]

Look at each cars line. Clear as day.

Max should have braked and line up behind lewis from this video. He just get his foot in to cut across Lewis exit. He had enough space on track. Just red mist and fear of Lewis.
Lewis is the moral champion this year. Redbull and Max have been very nasty all year.

Yep!