2021 Italian Grand Prix - Monza, Sep 10 - 12

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Re: 2021 Italian Grand Prix - Monza, Sep 10 - 12

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Lap one, exactly the same situation - did Max back off and let Lewis through? No, Lewis bailed to avoid contact. Which is what Max should have done once it was obvious the gap was always going to disappear before he got anywhere near to making the move work.
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sosic2121 wrote:
12 Sep 2021, 16:47
PlatinumZealot wrote:
12 Sep 2021, 16:23
foxmulder_ms wrote:
12 Sep 2021, 16:07
Vest must be penalized.

He almost killed HAM.
Agreed. That was a torpedo with the rear wheel dipping into the Halo on Lewis's head.
So penalty because Hamilton was almost killed?
Interesting argument
just a few races ago, some Max fans where adamant the outcome of an incident had to be taken into consideration!
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Restomaniac wrote:
12 Sep 2021, 16:46
nzjrs wrote:
12 Sep 2021, 16:45
Looks like a racing incident like Silverstone and both again making a point of not conceding in decisive situations.

At least this one pays out pain equally to both, in terms of points lost, and the championship stays tight at the top.
You missed the start of the race then?
Yeah, missed the whole race actually. Was planning on catching it on replay but a Google notification spoiled the surprise.

But in any case, aren't incidents evaluated in isolation and not against any larger historical narrative? I think FIA has a bias towards consequence based judgements, but because this came out neutral I guess they don't intervene further.

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Re: 2021 Italian Grand Prix - Monza, Sep 10 - 12

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Hamilton: 'He knew what was going to happen when he went into turn two.'

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These two are ruining what would be a good championship fight if not for these crashes. At no point would Max yield which is part of the reason why everybody leaves extra space. He has Sennaesque attitude towards leaving space. And because of this, Hamilton won't back out too.. Whatever happened to race hard and fair like in Alonso/Vet, Ham/Ros, Ham/Vet times

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dans79 wrote:
12 Sep 2021, 16:49
sosic2121 wrote:
12 Sep 2021, 16:47
PlatinumZealot wrote:
12 Sep 2021, 16:23


Agreed. That was a torpedo with the rear wheel dipping into the Halo on Lewis's head.
So penalty because Hamilton was almost killed?
Interesting argument
just a few races ago, some Max fans where adamant the outcome of an incident had to be taken into consideration!
Who was at fault in that incident and who was at fault in this incident?
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dans79 wrote:
12 Sep 2021, 16:48
nzjrs wrote:
12 Sep 2021, 16:45
Looks like a racing incident like Silverstone and both again making a point of not conceding in decisive situations.

At least this one pays out pain equally to both, in terms of points lost, and the championship stays tight at the top.
But unlike in Silverstone, it would have been much easier for max to bail out in the chicane.

he got a 5 second penalty in japan 2018 for going off the track in the final chicane and them coming back on and hitting kimi! He could get the same thing here.
Yes but max is on track this time, not off of it.
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Pretty obvious this was going to happen. Last time Hamilton kicked Verstappen out of the race, so now he gets payback.
Both of them showing the other they will commit and are not afraid. Good for the show though.
On the incident itself, looks like racing incident to me. Both could have avoided it.

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Verstappen got sent towards the kerbs and the sausage kerbs made the incident way worse than it would've been. Racing incident at worst, in my opinion. This idea that Verstappen is the dirtier driver is a bit ridiculous when Hamilton caused a heavy crash by not backing out in a move that wasn't on just four races ago. Both drivers have been absolutely merciless, and this stuff is bound to happen at that point.

''Moral champion'' sounds like pure, unadulterated cope, by the way.
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This is really interesting. Any photo of them approaching the corner and from pit exit?

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When people lie their speech is garbled and they stutter.... Maxie ... Please leave it to the Stewards.
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With the Bulls unable to pass...and only the fresh-milled Merc of Bot having the steam to do so. I would have to say advantage Max after today (long way to go though). Glad I am not a steward...gonna get wierd.

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Although I believe that it was a racing incident we have to remember what happened at turn 4 on Lap 1!

Max didn’t leave any space to Hamilton and Hamilton took avoiding action! Because of this Hamilton spent the whole race behind Lando!

What’s the difference?
Max didn’t take avoiding action again! He did the same at Silverstone! He’s all or nothing!

Anyway…the biggest loser of the weekend is Hamilton himself! Max knew he will lose points at Monza yet he managed to gain some!

On another note: Why did Mercedes pit so early??
I know they wanted to get ahead of Max but there’s no way the mediums would have made it to the end…
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El Scorchio wrote:
12 Sep 2021, 16:51
Hamilton: 'He knew what was going to happen when he went into turn two.'
Max's explanation to sky just now was painful 🤣

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Mattyw wrote:
12 Sep 2021, 16:42
Just realised grid penalty a bit pointless for Max as they will just use it to put a new engine in?
Will force them to take it then, where as Horner said this weekend they are not sure when to take it , not with multiple races possibly being cancelled.
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