2021 Italian Grand Prix - Monza, Sep 10 - 12

[Mattyw]

When people lie their speech is garbled and they stutter.... Maxie ... Please leave it to the Stewards.

[Restomaniac]

Looks like a racing incident like Silverstone and both again making a point of not conceding in decisive situations.

At least this one pays out pain equally to both, in terms of points lost, and the championship stays tight at the top.

You missed the start of the race then?

Yeah, missed the whole race actually. Was planning on catching it on replay but a Google notification spoiled the surprise.

But in any case, aren't incidents evaluated in isolation and not against any larger historical narrative? I think FIA has a bias towards consequence based judgements, but because this came out neutral I guess they don't intervene further.

I think you need to see it. Lap 1 Hamilton is in exactly the same situation and backed out. Verstappen had NO intention of doing so.

[nimoraca]

These two are ruining what would be a good championship fight if not for these crashes. At no point would Max yield which is part of the reason why everybody leaves extra space. He has Sennaesque attitude towards leaving space. And because of this, Hamilton won't back out too.. Whatever happened to race hard and fair like in Alonso/Vet, Ham/Ros, Ham/Vet times

Couldn't agree more. They are ruining the championship battle. Can we have a single overtaking attempt where somebody is not getting squezeed.

[Ryar]

Finally, no pressure and Valtteri seems to be doing well. Good for him and good omen for his next stint at Alfa.

[selvam_e2002]

Max: If I don't win, Ham also. Bad attitude

Max point: if he did not colloid with Ham, Hamilton would be in P2 and Max in P3 so the point difference reduce 2 so better to crash and gain 5 point advantage.

Post race RB , Marco and Horner will argue with F1 stewards.

good plan from Max and Co. Keep it up.

[politburo]

Looks like a racing incident like Silverstone and both again making a point of not conceding in decisive situations.

At least this one pays out pain equally to both, in terms of points lost, and the championship stays tight at the top.

You missed the start of the race then?

Yeah, missed the whole race actually. Was planning on catching it on replay but a Google notification spoiled the surprise.

But in any case, aren't incidents evaluated in isolation and not against any larger historical narrative? I think FIA has a bias towards consequence based judgements, but because this came out neutral I guess they don't intervene further.

Penalizing any driver in this particular situation would be pointless. Hamilton did not expect him there and so left little space, which is penalizable as crowding. This led to Max going over the curb and off the track and having to time to reasonably turn in so as to avoid any contact. At which point he'd be at fault anyway since he'd have failed to keep control of his car and caused a collision which is also penalizable.

[Mr.S]

[cut] Hamilton literally pushed Verstappen into the sausage kerbs without any room & Max's car bounced.

This is becoming intentional now. He did in lap 1 & got away without anything. His main objective was to crash Verstappen our similar to Silverstone & he tried to squeeze Verstappen into the sausage kerbs & out of the race. He threw his decades of friendship with Rosberg down the drain & resorted to dirty tactics. And now he things he can crash his main rival out. No1 should pretend he is anyways holier than Michael. I think the race is coming @ the end of the season where he will intentionally crash onto the back of Verstappen & won't brake.

[Nathanael F1]

Looks like a racing incident like Silverstone and both again making a point of not conceding in decisive situations.

At least this one pays out pain equally to both, in terms of points lost, and the championship stays tight at the top.

But unlike in Silverstone, it would have been much easier for max to bail out in the chicane.

he got a 5 second penalty in japan 2018 for going off the track in the final chicane and them coming back on and hitting kimi! He could get the same thing here.

I think that’s a different situation. At no point did Verstappen completely leave the track, unlike Japan 2018.

[El Scorchio]

Verstappen when asked about this incident vs the others: 'You can't judge these things the same (this race lap 4, Imola lap 1)' Ridicuous.

And using the 'unfortunately, we touched' line that Senna did when he ran into Prost in Suzuka....

[Just_a_fan]

Max saying he squeezed me and wouldn't work with me. Wow, the guy is full of it. Where was his working with Hamilton on lap 1?

He's trying to place the blame on Hamilton in his words. He's not saying "he took me out!". He's being very careful in what he says. It's like he's been coached what to say. Interesting.

[Spacepace]

Diresta just called Verstappen a world champion haha

[dans79]

Looks like a racing incident like Silverstone and both again making a point of not conceding in decisive situations.

At least this one pays out pain equally to both, in terms of points lost, and the championship stays tight at the top.

But unlike in Silverstone, it would have been much easier for max to bail out in the chicane.

he got a 5 second penalty in japan 2018 for going off the track in the final chicane and them coming back on and hitting kimi! He could get the same thing here.

Yes but max is on track this time, not off of it.

Its hard to tell form the footage i've seen, but at best Max has 2 wheels on track when he hits the Kurbs. As soon as he hits those kerbs he is a passenger and not incontrol of his car.

Just now Max waffled when being asked very specifically about lap one when the situation was reversed!

[Dejaeger22]

This incident is very similar to Maldonado and Hamilton in Valencia in 2012 IIRC

[Just_a_fan]

Di Resta, who is well known to dislike Hamilton, trying to blame Hamilton but not really able to. Quite funny really.

[Ryar]

Anyone that thinks Max was not alongside.

https://i.ibb.co/0tV1PLj/monza-1.png

https://i.ibb.co/2yFWF5h/monza-2.png

https://i.ibb.co/0Y3B5rG/monza-3.png

https://i.ibb.co/jTrFqnC/monza-4.png

This is really interesting. Any photo of them approaching the corner and from pit exit?