2021 Italian Grand Prix - Monza, Sep 10 - 12

[NathanOlder]

That was immedialy after start and there were other cars very closed. You can do very little in this situation at first lap. Is an other story cannot compare.

When the inside car is ahead on braking, he is entitled to the racing line. If you don't agree with that, tell me why Verstappen was able to squeeze Hamilton off track at Roggia in Turn 1 (note: Verstappen was on the inside, and ahead under braking)?

Exactly correct! I have no idea why people are fighting this so much . Max should have backed out or aborted, instead he sent it as he knew he was about to lose points to Lewis. Simple.

Turn 1 , I would agree. after that its normal going. Dont forget Lewis got his penalty vs Max in Silverstone on what lap was it ????

[zeph]

If people still blaming Hamilton for not leaving space, please take a look at lap one situation as well (15.08) same thing but Hamilton avoided a crash. Verstappen could have done the same, but didn’t.

IMO verstappen gets away with too much. But that’s me.

Definitely not just you. In the past he didn't even get a slap on the wrist for things others had been handed out grid penalties (or worse) for.

THIS.

What does he need to do to get a penalty?

[mzivtins]

Driver of the day: Monza T2 Sausage Curb

[DChemTech]

Alright. So, some observations

- At Silverstone, Team Hamilton was complaining that there were some Verstappen fans arguing in favor of a race ban. This time, some in Team Hamilton are arguing for a race ban.
- At Silverstone, Team Hamilton was saying Max should have left room. Now, Lewis didn't need to leave any room.
- Team Hamilton complains that Verstappen says "yield or we will crash" - the same attitude that Hamilton showed at Silverstone.

If there's any symmetry here, it's between camps...
This was a racing incident with Max to blame. Silverstone was a racing incident with Lewis to blame. That time Lewis was lucky, this time neither is.

The call for a ban isn't for me based on the incident, it's based on his comments. "That's what you get" knowing where his car had been and without any regard to the safety of a fellow driver..

And all that was similarly brought up at the Silverstone event...

[kenshi_blind]

Alright. So, some observations

- At Silverstone, Team Hamilton was complaining that there were some Verstappen fans arguing in favor of a race ban. This time, some in Team Hamilton are arguing for a race ban.
- At Silverstone, Team Hamilton was saying Max should have left room. Now, Lewis didn't need to leave any room.
- Team Hamilton complains that Verstappen says "yield or we will crash" - the same attitude that Hamilton showed at Silverstone.

If there's any symmetry here, it's between camps...
This was a racing incident with Max to blame. Silverstone was a racing incident with Lewis to blame. That time Lewis was lucky, this time neither is.

This.

Both signaled that they won't back off, sadly its things outside of track that could decide the competition I'm afraid.

This is a bit disingenuous , one has been backing out and the other never did so Both siding things does not work here

[Restomaniac]

Alright. So, some observations

- At Silverstone, Team Hamilton was complaining that there were some Verstappen fans arguing in favor of a race ban. This time, some in Team Hamilton are arguing for a race ban.
- At Silverstone, Team Hamilton was saying Max should have left room. Now, Lewis didn't need to leave any room.
- Team Hamilton complains that Verstappen says "yield or we will crash" - the same attitude that Hamilton showed at Silverstone.

If there's any symmetry here, it's between camps...
This was a racing incident with Max to blame. Silverstone was a racing incident with Lewis to blame. That time Lewis was lucky, this time neither is.

The call for a ban isn't for me based on the incident, it's based on his comments. "That's what you get" knowing where his car had been and without any regard to the safety of a fellow driver..

And all that was similarly brought up at the Silverstone event...

You mean when Hamilton asked the team if Verstappen was ok? Like that you mean?

[Pany]

Theese guys are fighting. We want racing isnt it? No way they are not going to touch each other side by side in a chchicane. Aat that point a crash possibility is likely to occur because is a duell between the two. The race result is not important since you compete against one driver only FOR THE whole season.

When the inside car is ahead on braking, he is entitled to the racing line. If you don't agree with that, tell me why Verstappen was able to squeeze Hamilton off track at Roggia in Turn 1 (note: Verstappen was on the inside, and ahead under braking)?

Exactly correct! I have no idea why people are fighting this so much . Max should have backed out or aborted, instead he sent it as he knew he was about to lose points to Lewis. Simple.

Yep

[Just_a_fan]

Its that 'That's what you get.' comment from Verstappen. Yield to me or we will crash.

Interesting that he didn't even look back to see if Hamilton was hurt when walking off after parking his car on hid head. So much for all that stuff about showing compassion...

The whole thing is slightly chilling .

That's just disturbing. This was the same guy screaming how he was nearly killed and screaming for a race ban. Now he causes a collision, heavily suggesting it was intentional, literally drove over someones head while doing so, and then acts like nothing is wrong. If anything, this does sound like some very reasonable arguments for a race ban.

Don’t be ridiculous. Max obviously couldn’t have known his car came over Hamilton’s halo or head. When he exited the car, RedBull was resting on Merc’s nose. Max actually paused to have a look back after exiting the car and Hamilton is revving his car to get out from under the RedBull. So, Max obviously thought there was no physical harm done to Hamilton.

If anything, I thought Lewis trying to get his car going while Max is climbing out of the cockpit is more dangerous.

No way that Max knows Hamilton's alright. A foot on the throttle pedal with wheels spinning after an accident is not unusual, especially where someone has an injury. More likely is that Max just didn't expect a problem for Hamilton because safety is so good these days. He just expected Hamilton to be ok. It's one of the side effects of improved safety - people get used to good outcomes and forget that things can still go wrong.

I don't think there was any malice from Max in walking away.

[Hammerfist]

If people still blaming Hamilton for not leaving space, please take a look at lap one situation as well (15.08) same thing but Hamilton avoided a crash. Verstappen could have done the same, but didn’t.

IMO verstappen gets away with too much. But that’s me.

Definitely not just you. In the past he didn't even get a slap on the wrist for things others had been handed out grid penalties (or worse) for.

He does get away with an awful lot doesn’t he? He just has this entitled way of driving when in wheel to wheel combat and he doesn’t ever quite grasp when to back off. There is a dirty ingredient in his race craft that’s been there since his karting days and I give up thinking he will ever grow out of it. He will probably end up hurting himself or someone else in his career but it is what it is. Great driver but appalling race craft imho.

[Roo]

Alright. So, some observations

- At Silverstone, Team Hamilton was complaining that there were some Verstappen fans arguing in favor of a race ban. This time, some in Team Hamilton are arguing for a race ban.
- At Silverstone, Team Hamilton was saying Max should have left room. Now, Lewis didn't need to leave any room.
- Team Hamilton complains that Verstappen says "yield or we will crash" - the same attitude that Hamilton showed at Silverstone.

If there's any symmetry here, it's between camps...
This was a racing incident with Max to blame. Silverstone was a racing incident with Lewis to blame. That time Lewis was lucky, this time neither is.

The call for a ban isn't for me based on the incident, it's based on his comments. "That's what you get" knowing where his car had been and without any regard to the safety of a fellow driver..

And all that was similarly brought up at the Silverstone event...

you mean when LH asked about him, and didnt say "That is what you get"..

[Just_a_fan]

That was immedialy after start and there were other cars very closed. You can do very little in this situation at first lap. Is an other story cannot compare.

When the inside car is ahead on braking, he is entitled to the racing line. If you don't agree with that, tell me why Verstappen was able to squeeze Hamilton off track at Roggia in Turn 1 (note: Verstappen was on the inside, and ahead under braking)?

Exactly correct! I have no idea why people are fighting this so much . Max should have backed out or aborted, instead he sent it as he knew he was about to lose points to Lewis. Simple.

Er, Silverstone was lap 1 wasn't it? Penalty given out there. So that's more sauce for the goose it seems.

[JordanMugen]

Theese guys are fighting. We want racing isnt it? No way they are not going to touch each other side by side in a chchicane. Aat that point a crash possibility is likely to occur because is a duell between the two.

They really should both follow the sporting races and avoid causing collisions though.

[Tvetovnato]

completely agree

exactly this

Ricciardo just talked about this, and guess what, he thinks it's a racing incident, sausage's curb fault.

It’s not really the sausage kerbs fault though, is it? He knows that the kerb will be there, and with the angle he is approaching the corner, it’s a given that he will be sent up in the air, collecting Lewis. A dumb move, that all other drivers have backed out of so far on this track out of self preservation, except ol’ Maxie who still feels the need to do these things, when he can just play the long game given the state of the championship. From now on, RB will easily have the best car, so he could have just chosen to get the points today, and even wait for another chance later in the race since it was still wide open.

[zeph]

Last year Gasly won a surprise victory here, today McLaren doubles. Gotta love Monza!

[Ryar]

exactly this

Ricciardo just talked about this, and guess what, he thinks it's a racing incident, sausage's curb fault.

It’s not really the sausage kerbs fault though, is it? He knows that the kerb will be there, and with the angle he is approaching the corner, it’s a given that he will be sent up in the air, collecting Lewis. A dumb move, that all other drivers have backed out of so far on this track out of self preservation, except ol’ Maxie who still feels the need to do these things, when he can just play the long game given the state of the championship. From now on, RB will easily have the best car, so he could have just chosen to get the points today, and even wait for another chance later in the race since it was still wide open.

One can argue it other way round. Lewis knew there was sausage curb and pushing a driver alongside him, could air lift the other car and can push it over him. Hence, should have given more space.