2021 Abu Dhabi Grand Prix - Yas Marina, Dec 10 - 12

[Datco]

Not sure how it's self serving. I feel slighted by the sport. If they don't fix this crap. F1 can go F themselves.

Nothing is going to change the fact that, Max is the 2021 F1 WDC. He deserved it more than anyone else did and earned it rightfully by performing in the given circumstances. If the FIA executed some decisions in a different manner, you can't blame Max for that. So, no "*" is going to be added in any official version, definitely not in my version, except in someone's thought process. That is why I called it, self serving.

Performing in the given circumstances? When most have been on the line this season, i.e last race and this race, Max performed by:

-binning a safe pole position with a crash
-getting three penalties in one race for dangerous/illegal racing manouvres that would warrant grid penalty in any other situation
-walking off the podium celebrations when losing, because it was ”not fun”
-binning a set of mediums by destroying them in Q2, leaving him nowhere in stint 1 in the title decider
- getting the actual title through no means of his own, but by a race control decision that wants a show

And of course saying to the world that the FIA is against him, because they penalize what he genuinly and honestly considers to be fair racing (just watch SA again). Sure, Max is extremely fast, but nothing else about him speaks of a champion, especially not after a fabricated gift like yesterday.

On to 2022 where hopefully he will get to race drivers who are not as sensible and kind as Lewis when it comes to giving him the illegal space on track that he always demands. Then he will be in for some more nice penalties which will hopefully wreck his title chances for real. Maybe then he will realize how to properly conduct racing.

Enjoy your ”champ”!

LOL now can you do a summary of negatives of Lewis this season.

[dans79]

I hope you are telling that to yourself right? The driver that you are playing down, is at the beginning of his career!!!

Keep telling yourself that if it make you feel better. Max just Finished his 7th season in Formula 1. That's not just starting, that's in all reality almost half way through!

Doesn't matter. He has atleast another decade to shape his legacy and who knows he might be the best every by then. If a crashator from 2011 can go on to become a 7 time WDC (albeit....), then why not the most talented driver on the grid can better that in over a decade.

In the 4 season prior to 2011 Lewis had already won 1 championship, and went into the final round of 2 other seasons with a chance of winning. Max has done nothing comparable to that. For all we know he is the next Nigel Mansell, Above average career length, lots of wins, and 1 WDC.

[Ryar]

Keep telling yourself that if it make you feel better. Max just Finished his 7th season in Formula 1. That's not just starting, that's in all reality almost half way through!

Doesn't matter. He has atleast another decade to shape his legacy and who knows he might be the best every by then. If a crashator from 2011 can go on to become a 7 time WDC (albeit....), then why not the most talented driver on the grid can better that in over a decade.

In the 4 season prior to 2011 Lewis had already won 1 championship, and went into the final round of 2 other seasons with a chance of winning. Max has done nothing comparable to that. For all we know he is the next Nigel Mansell, Above average career length, lots of wins, and 1 WDC.

If that makes you feel good. One feat is etched in history that, Max beat Lewis to 2021 WDC.

[dans79]

Doesn't matter. He has atleast another decade to shape his legacy and who knows he might be the best every by then. If a crashator from 2011 can go on to become a 7 time WDC (albeit....), then why not the most talented driver on the grid can better that in over a decade.

In the 4 season prior to 2011 Lewis had already won 1 championship, and went into the final round of 2 other seasons with a chance of winning. Max has done nothing comparable to that. For all we know he is the next Nigel Mansell, Above average career length, lots of wins, and 1 WDC.

If that makes you feel good.

I have no problem with my opinion, but I'm sure some other will!

[Pany]

in my point of view, If LH won the this race, they fia and liberty will remove it from him for whatever reasons. RB can say
1st lap incident with 10 second penalty,
Rear wing gap is 0.001 mm

FIA and Liberty want to give WDC to Max this year for whatever reasons. It is seems like a predefined plan and I don't think Mercedes will file a review petition with FIA.

Nearly right. The plan was to let them race up to the last second of the last gp, required by liberty after last useless season under covid and after years of engine dominance by merco. In the same time the f1 system as a whole is start to rebelling against technical political dominance of mercedes. It is in the natural order of things and rules are not inportante anymore, since the rules were not capable to guarantee real competition in the last 8 years

[dans79]

One feat is etched in history that, Max beat Lewis to 2021 WDC.

The appeal isn't done yet, and most likely won't be for some time!

[darkpino]

Not sure how it's self serving. I feel slighted by the sport. If they don't fix this crap. F1 can go F themselves.

Nothing is going to change the fact that, Max is the 2021 F1 WDC. He deserved it more than anyone else did and earned it rightfully by performing in the given circumstances. If the FIA executed some decisions in a different manner, you can't blame Max for that. So, no "*" is going to be added in any official version, definitely not in my version, except in someone's thought process. That is why I called it, self serving.

Performing in the given circumstances? When most have been on the line this season, i.e last race and this race, Max performed by:

-binning a safe pole position with a crash
-getting three penalties in one race for dangerous/illegal racing manouvres that would warrant grid penalty in any other situation
-walking off the podium celebrations when losing, because it was ”not fun”
-binning a set of mediums by destroying them in Q2, leaving him nowhere in stint 1 in the title decider
- getting the actual title through no means of his own, but by a race control decision that wants a show

And of course saying to the world that the FIA is against him, because they penalize what he genuinly and honestly considers to be fair racing (just watch SA again). Sure, Max is extremely fast, but nothing else about him speaks of a champion, especially not after a fabricated gift like yesterday.

On to 2022 where hopefully he will get to race drivers who are not as sensible and kind as Lewis when it comes to giving him the illegal space on track that he always demands. Then he will be in for some more nice penalties which will hopefully wreck his title chances for real. Maybe then he will realize how to properly conduct racing.

Enjoy your ”champ”!

In my opinion Max showed that when he has a bit overspeed (like Mercedes had since Silverstone) he’s more than capable to race in a fair way en leaving space to his competitors. That’s the thing: Lewis had a car which was superior in every way for almost a decade: he didn’t have to race hard and the one year he had (2016? Against Rosberg?) he lost also because he simply can’t.

That doesn’t take away the legend he is because 7 titles speak for them self even being in the quickest car. To get ready year after year to beat at least your team mate takes some dedication in my opinion! (Which maybe shows in the fact he was always a slow season starter).

Now regarding your comments: In my opinion Mercedes is the only ones who are the really sore losers here. Never have seen this before in professional sports (feels like deja vu this for me lol), the first two protests were pretty outrageous to me after all the luck the had with red flags and safety cars this season. Family Hamilton and Verstappen were really classy to each other (with a big wow to Hamilton after his loss for acting like that), somehow Mercedes can’t.

Last thing I want to add: I really feel for the #44 fans, pretty much the whole weekend looked in the bag till lap 57, in my opinion Lewis would have been the right race winner today so I understand his fans feeling cheated. Again Mercedes dropped the ball massively regarding strategy just like they’ve been doing all season (except Spain) so that is on them. But overall over the season I think Max/RBR we’re extremely unlucky with red flag situations/safety cars/and even being crashed out of the race by a certain team mate… ofcourse I’m biased but I think he had his share of luck yesterday which came just in time

[Ryar]

One feat is etched in history that, Max beat Lewis to 2021 WDC.

The appeal isn't done yet, and most likely won't be for some time!

Clutching on to straws. When was the last time an appeal was successful against a disposed protest by stewards and race director, in appeals court?

[Pany]

In many ways, regardless of what happened, destiny handed over the title to the most deserving one. The title would have decided long back if Max didn't have to endure those painful failures of which he was a bystander. We were given a dramatic season instead, ensuring the guy that performed the best while suffering the misfortunes, was rightfully crowned.

What a job Honda has done. If not for Mercedes driver errors forcing, RB would have come to the final few races with much fresher fourth engine with a strategic penalty, instead of a forced one. From 2015 to 2021, Honda have turned things around remarkably.

Disagree, he was gifted the championship by Masi cause that's who Masi choose to win. It was fixed by Masi moving 4 cars out of the way for Max. Merc was by far the faster car. Max is a great driver who is a poor sport. He drove well most of the year but didn't earn today's win.

Max "pseudo Champion" Verstappen*.

Now he and Bonds both share an "*" and no championships.

BTW, I'm not a Hamilton fan. I just think Masi made a joke of F1.

Wrong. There is no other way to interrupt 8 years of technical end pilitical mercedes dominance. Definitively not good for sport in general and f1. Rules are not important anymore, the germans need to learn to loose one day

[Pany]

In many ways, regardless of what happened, destiny handed over the title to the most deserving one. The title would have decided long back if Max didn't have to endure those painful failures of which he was a bystander. We were given a dramatic season instead, ensuring the guy that performed the best while suffering the misfortunes, was rightfully crowned.

What a job Honda has done. If not for Mercedes driver errors forcing, RB would have come to the final few races with much fresher fourth engine with a strategic penalty, instead of a forced one. From 2015 to 2021, Honda have turned things around remarkably.

Disagree, he was gifted the championship by Masi cause that's who Masi choose to win. It was fixed by Masi moving 4 cars out of the way for Max. Merc was by far the faster car. Max is a great driver who is a poor sport. He drove well most of the year but didn't earn today's win.

Max "pseudo Champion" Verstappen*.

Now he and Bonds both share an "*" and no championships.

BTW, I'm not a Hamilton fan. I just think Masi made a joke of F1.

Wrong. There is no other way to interrupt 8 years of technical end pilitical mercedes dominance. Definitively not good for sport in general and f1.

[dans79]

One feat is etched in history that, Max beat Lewis to 2021 WDC.

The appeal isn't done yet, and most likely won't be for some time!

Clutching on to straws.

I'll be happy if all it does is ensure Massi gets kicked to the curb, and we get a new race director and rules that ensure dirty driving is punished harshly and consistently!

[Ryar]

The appeal isn't done yet, and most likely won't be for some time!

Clutching on to straws.

I'll be happy if all it does is ensure Massi gets kicked to the curb, and we get a new race director and rules that ensure dirty driving is punished harshly and consistently!

If only emotions can be that raw for the governing body officials to take actions to please fans. I would love to see him go for not giving due consideration for examining the questionable legality of Mercedes car.

[Tizz]

in my point of view, If LH won the this race, they fia and liberty will remove it from him for whatever reasons. RB can say
1st lap incident with 10 second penalty,
Rear wing gap is 0.001 mm

FIA and Liberty want to give WDC to Max this year for whatever reasons. It is seems like a predefined plan and I don't think Mercedes will file a review petition with FIA.

Nearly right. The plan was to let them race up to the last second of the last gp, required by liberty after last useless season under covid and after years of engine dominance by merco. In the same time the f1 system as a whole is start to rebelling against technical political dominance of mercedes. It is in the natural order of things and rules are not inportante anymore, since the rules were not capable to guarantee real competition in the last 8 years

+1

[dans79]

Clutching on to straws.

I'll be happy if all it does is ensure Massi gets kicked to the curb, and we get a new race director and rules that ensure dirty driving is punished harshly and consistently!

If only emotions can be that raw for the governing body officials to take actions to please fans. I would love to see him go for not giving due consideration for examining the questionable legality of Mercedes car.

You seemed to have forgotten the questionable legality of the Red Bulls rear wing!

[Bandit1216]

Wow what a Sh#tstorm this is.


Lewis was extremely lucky in Imola where he got 18 point by sheer luck, after doing a blunder.
In Buku Lewis made an driver error and lost 25 point.
In Hungary Lewis was reworded another bag of points by sheer luck.
At Silverstone he got penalized which didn't hurt him one bit.
Max went up and over the line sometimes, but got plenty of penalties for that.
In Abu Dhabi Max was extremely lucky.

Imagine yourself the SC would all have been happened 3 laps earlier and Max would have won by 10 seconds on his new reds. Who would you then blame? Merc for not pitting? Still Masi. Latifi perhaps? You have the right to be disappointed, but saying you were robbed and Max didn't deserve to win is complete and utter nonsense. Also Masi has quite a hard job with 2 Whining babies of Teams principles calling him at the most inconvenient times.

Lewis Hamilton is still the greatest ever driver by statistics. He still has 7 titles and more to race for.