2021 Abu Dhabi Grand Prix - Yas Marina, Dec 10 - 12

[diffuser]

Feel free to respond with data and not vitriol.

Easy:

Verstappen [Red Bull Racing - Honda] 10 wins, 18 podiums, 10 poles, 6 fastest laps
Hamilton [Mercedes-Benz] 8 wins, 17 podiums, 5 poles, 6 fastest laps

Red Bull's lead driver matched or outperformed Mercedes' lead driver in all major statistics in the 2021 season. QED.

Can you deny that there was manipulation by the regulator?

Letting lapped cars overtake was the right thing to do. It was important that the different tyre strategies the teams had decided on could play out, and that the race finished under green flag. Ideally, all 8 lapped cars would've been allowed to overtake so as to not disadvantage Sainz & Ricciardo (etc), but the Race Director had to make a compromise.

This wasn’t a compromise, unless you meant it’s “a change that makes something worse and that is not done for a good reason”. There weren’t two sides negotiating mutually beneficial agreement. This was a decision that favored a certain outcome.

Max only won 2 of the last 8 races while Hamilton won 5. Plus no crashing into the wall in Q3 and no flat spotting of tires in Q2.

[f1jcw]

was it rigged agains't Red Bull when they didn't allow lapped drivers to unlap themselves when SC was deployed, although protocol was to unlap those cars from the beginning of SC?
you have video of Alonso making fun of that decision during the race, mocking it like it was to protect Merc

You do understand there is two options to race control, allow all lapped cars past, or allow none past.

THIS IS IN THE RULES.

It is not rigging or making the rules up.


What is wrong with you people that you can not grasp these very simple basic facts. I mean you might not like Lewis
and want Max to win but posting something so plainly absurd doesn't help.

it is your inerpretation of the rules, but FIA has other interpretation, you are grasping yourselves on your interpretation of the rules, i know it isn't easy to accept this, i as alonso fan know this very well, "mclaren favoring lewis in 2007, fia favoring vettel and their flexi wings in 2010, stupid kimi and grosjean hiting alonso in 2012...", my message to you : try to get over it soon, if you can, next year lewis will probably have huge chance of winning his eight title

and you make my point thank you.

People are accepting the absurd rigging due to have agendas against Lewis and in their interests for the ending to be rigged.

No rigging is acceptable a sport, how hard is that understand.

[diffuser]

Thats the thing. The rules can be anything at aslong as they understood, followed and allow the teams to build a strategy around.

If rules are made on the fly none of the above can happen.

From what The Stewarts said, Masi was within his Mandate. He was out of his mind but whithin his mandate.

I assume that is within his mandate as long as he can show he though it was required to over ride written rules and 'custom and practice'? I know nothing is going to change and Merc will quietly let things go, but as with any judge a decision has to be transparent and obvious if possible, or explained.

In UK law (and many others) if a judge thinks there are things affecting his decision that are not obvious to the layman he gives what is called an 'obiter dictum' to give his reasoning. Anyone over riding written rules should do something similar for the sake of clarity even if not mandatory.

Guys, I'm not defending him. Just pointing out what the Stewarts decision ment.

[radosav]

You do understand there is two options to race control, allow all lapped cars past, or allow none past.

THIS IS IN THE RULES.

It is not rigging or making the rules up.


What is wrong with you people that you can not grasp these very simple basic facts. I mean you might not like Lewis
and want Max to win but posting something so plainly absurd doesn't help.

it is your inerpretation of the rules, but FIA has other interpretation, you are grasping yourselves on your interpretation of the rules, i know it isn't easy to accept this, i as alonso fan know this very well, "mclaren favoring lewis in 2007, fia favoring vettel and their flexi wings in 2010, stupid kimi and grosjean hiting alonso in 2012...", my message to you : try to get over it soon, if you can, next year lewis will probably have huge chance of winning his eight title

and you make my point thank you.

People are accepting the absurd rigging due to have agendas against Lewis and in their interests for the ending to be rigged.

No rigging is acceptable a sport, how hard is that understand.

some people say that merc was fooling all by hiding their engine performance during last eight years, as they were deep involved in arhitecture of hybrid engines, while having draft of their engine for some time, there are always more perspectives involved

[Big Tea]

From what The Stewarts said, Masi was within his Mandate. He was out of his mind but whithin his mandate.

I assume that is within his mandate as long as he can show he though it was required to over ride written rules and 'custom and practice'? I know nothing is going to change and Merc will quietly let things go, but as with any judge a decision has to be transparent and obvious if possible, or explained.

In UK law (and many others) if a judge thinks there are things affecting his decision that are not obvious to the layman he gives what is called an 'obiter dictum' to give his reasoning. Anyone over riding written rules should do something similar for the sake of clarity even if not mandatory.

Guys, I'm not defending him. Just pointing out what the Stewarts decision ment.

I understand. But its not the stewards that need to know what happed and why, the public and more importantly the teams do.

[Big Tea]

it is your inerpretation of the rules, but FIA has other interpretation, you are grasping yourselves on your interpretation of the rules, i know it isn't easy to accept this, i as alonso fan know this very well, "mclaren favoring lewis in 2007, fia favoring vettel and their flexi wings in 2010, stupid kimi and grosjean hiting alonso in 2012...", my message to you : try to get over it soon, if you can, next year lewis will probably have huge chance of winning his eight title

and you make my point thank you.

People are accepting the absurd rigging due to have agendas against Lewis and in their interests for the ending to be rigged.

No rigging is acceptable a sport, how hard is that understand.

some people say that merc was fooling all by hiding their engine performance during last eight years, as they were deep involved in arhitecture of hybrid engines, while having draft of their engine for some time, there are always more perspectives involved

some people say that merc has been running a model of the new engine since last year too

[Starkblood80]

it is your inerpretation of the rules, but FIA has other interpretation, you are grasping yourselves on your interpretation of the rules, i know it isn't easy to accept this, i as alonso fan know this very well, "mclaren favoring lewis in 2007, fia favoring vettel and their flexi wings in 2010, stupid kimi and grosjean hiting alonso in 2012...", my message to you : try to get over it soon, if you can, next year lewis will probably have huge chance of winning his eight title

and you make my point thank you.

People are accepting the absurd rigging due to have agendas against Lewis and in their interests for the ending to be rigged.

No rigging is acceptable a sport, how hard is that understand.

some people say that merc was fooling all by hiding their engine performance during last eight years, as they were deep involved in arhitecture of hybrid engines, while having draft of their engine for some time, there are always more perspectives involved

Again, you are trying to justify yesterdays appalling race management by bringing up something which has absolutely nothing to do with the topic in hand.

[Starkblood80]

and you make my point thank you.

People are accepting the absurd rigging due to have agendas against Lewis and in their interests for the ending to be rigged.

No rigging is acceptable a sport, how hard is that understand.

some people say that merc was fooling all by hiding their engine performance during last eight years, as they were deep involved in arhitecture of hybrid engines, while having draft of their engine for some time, there are always more perspectives involved

some people say that merc has been running a model of the new engine since last year too

Some people say Mercedes are running an 8 litre twin turbo V12 (Sarcasm BTW)

[f1jcw]

it is your inerpretation of the rules, but FIA has other interpretation, you are grasping yourselves on your interpretation of the rules, i know it isn't easy to accept this, i as alonso fan know this very well, "mclaren favoring lewis in 2007, fia favoring vettel and their flexi wings in 2010, stupid kimi and grosjean hiting alonso in 2012...", my message to you : try to get over it soon, if you can, next year lewis will probably have huge chance of winning his eight title

and you make my point thank you.

People are accepting the absurd rigging due to have agendas against Lewis and in their interests for the ending to be rigged.

No rigging is acceptable a sport, how hard is that understand.

some people say that merc was fooling all by hiding their engine performance during last eight years, as they were deep involved in arhitecture of hybrid engines, while having draft of their engine for some time, there are always more perspectives involved

and?

That isn't illegal so? Whats the point of rasing it.

If they started early on hybrid engines, that was good planning on their part, the other teams could have done aswell, again nothing illegal.

Why are you rasing a load of whatboutery points that have nothing to do with Race Control ignoring their own written rules.

There is no perspectives involved what what you post is simple rubbish.

[Big Tea]

and you make my point thank you.

People are accepting the absurd rigging due to have agendas against Lewis and in their interests for the ending to be rigged.

No rigging is acceptable a sport, how hard is that understand.

some people say that merc was fooling all by hiding their engine performance during last eight years, as they were deep involved in arhitecture of hybrid engines, while having draft of their engine for some time, there are always more perspectives involved

and?

That isn't illegal so? Whats the point of rasing it.

If they started early on hybrid engines, that was good planning on their part, the other teams could have done aswell, again nothing illegal.

Why are you rasing a load of whatboutery points that have nothing to do with Race Control ignoring their own written rules.

There is no perspectives involved what what you post is simple rubbish.

Irony

[epo]

Also a keen watcher would notice the marshalls were given the hurry up to pin up that armco.
Something was really off. The track wasnt even fully cleared and the barrier also was not repaired for safety. It stinks.

But onto the race. As what cannot be erased is the stain of this title year. It will never go away. Sad for Max that his title is stained, but he can blame his team principal and Masi for that. I think outside of Lewis haters and dutch fans everyone knows that a robbery tool place.

Saiz snatch P5 from lando in the championship.
I think it was well deserved because mclaren just ran out of steam in the last 5 races. It's really difficult to understand.
He beat leclerc as well. Leclerc who is supposed to be ferrari's #1 wonderboy got beat by the new comer! Sainz beat him on clinical driving and race management.
So i am expecting a heated battle next year between these two.
I dont know if this result was also a part of the Masi mess as i was not watching the ferraris. But Leclerc may have made too many errors this year.
Norris just lost all steam and Riciardo started to look like he was on par with him.

We Dutchies absolutely don’t think like you, we’re happy with his insane talent and driving. He’s basically the one who made this sport enjoyable again with the Mercedes dominance. He was the best driver of 2021 and the rightful champion. Stop being so negative and write stuff how you think others think or feel.

I feel bad for Hamilton, but this is autosport where anything can happen, he is and will still be a legend and will get his chance next year cause I’m pretty sure they will have the best car in 2022, Russell will have no chance against him.

[f1jcw]

some people say that merc was fooling all by hiding their engine performance during last eight years, as they were deep involved in arhitecture of hybrid engines, while having draft of their engine for some time, there are always more perspectives involved

and?

That isn't illegal so? Whats the point of rasing it.

If they started early on hybrid engines, that was good planning on their part, the other teams could have done aswell, again nothing illegal.

Why are you rasing a load of whatboutery points that have nothing to do with Race Control ignoring their own written rules.

There is no perspectives involved what what you post is simple rubbish.

Irony

Do you want to point out what is incorrect?

Running a engine at a lower speed isnt' illegal.
Working on rules before being finalised isn't illegal.


Please point out which part is rubbish?

[f1jcw]

Also a keen watcher would notice the marshalls were given the hurry up to pin up that armco.
Something was really off. The track wasnt even fully cleared and the barrier also was not repaired for safety. It stinks.

But onto the race. As what cannot be erased is the stain of this title year. It will never go away. Sad for Max that his title is stained, but he can blame his team principal and Masi for that. I think outside of Lewis haters and dutch fans everyone knows that a robbery tool place.

Saiz snatch P5 from lando in the championship.
I think it was well deserved because mclaren just ran out of steam in the last 5 races. It's really difficult to understand.
He beat leclerc as well. Leclerc who is supposed to be ferrari's #1 wonderboy got beat by the new comer! Sainz beat him on clinical driving and race management.
So i am expecting a heated battle next year between these two.
I dont know if this result was also a part of the Masi mess as i was not watching the ferraris. But Leclerc may have made too many errors this year.
Norris just lost all steam and Riciardo started to look like he was on par with him.

We Dutchies absolutely don’t think like you, we’re happy with his insane talent and driving. He’s basically the one who made this sport enjoyable again with the Mercedes dominance. He was the best driver of 2021 and the rightful champion. Stop being so negative and write stuff how you think others think or feel.

I feel bad for Hamilton, but this is autosport where anything can happen, he is and will still be a legend and will get his chance next year cause I’m pretty sure they will have the best car in 2022, Russell will have no chance against him.

and yet, he could only win with outside illegal assistance, if he is so great why did he need that to take the WDC.

[Gothrek]

Also a keen watcher would notice the marshalls were given the hurry up to pin up that armco.
Something was really off. The track wasnt even fully cleared and the barrier also was not repaired for safety. It stinks.

But onto the race. As what cannot be erased is the stain of this title year. It will never go away. Sad for Max that his title is stained, but he can blame his team principal and Masi for that. I think outside of Lewis haters and dutch fans everyone knows that a robbery tool place.

Saiz snatch P5 from lando in the championship.
I think it was well deserved because mclaren just ran out of steam in the last 5 races. It's really difficult to understand.
He beat leclerc as well. Leclerc who is supposed to be ferrari's #1 wonderboy got beat by the new comer! Sainz beat him on clinical driving and race management.
So i am expecting a heated battle next year between these two.
I dont know if this result was also a part of the Masi mess as i was not watching the ferraris. But Leclerc may have made too many errors this year.
Norris just lost all steam and Riciardo started to look like he was on par with him.

I think only die-hard fans of Hamilton, like yourself, will see this title as tainted. Just like some people have conspiracy theories about Glock and Interlagos in 2008. Or Vettel in 2010 on the last GP. For die-hard fans of 1 driver it is never understandable. For 90-95% of the people there is no difference.

People with less bias saw that Verstappen was the better driver over the season. A worthy WDC for Verstappen. It will not be his last either. So better get used to it.

[Big Tea]

and?

That isn't illegal so? Whats the point of rasing it.

If they started early on hybrid engines, that was good planning on their part, the other teams could have done aswell, again nothing illegal.

Why are you rasing a load of whatboutery points that have nothing to do with Race Control ignoring their own written rules.

There is no perspectives involved what what you post is simple rubbish.

Irony

Do you want to point out what is incorrect?

Running a engine at a lower speed isnt' illegal.
Working on rules before being finalised isn't illegal.


Please point out which part is rubbish?

What does that have to do with the subject being discussed?
Every time Merc is mentioned someone says Ah well they had 10 years start on every one else , so I though tI would get it in first so people can see how stupid it sounds

Edit.

Yes I see now. Sorry I have messed up the quote, it is a replat to the same post as yours. My apologies.