2021 Abu Dhabi Grand Prix - Yas Marina, Dec 10 - 12

[Tvetovnato]

These raw emotions about putting a question mark over a championship, would die down in time either because there are going to be fresh wounds or that there are other exciting things to indulge in. There have been upteen instances where a championship ended different to how it was imagined or liked in F1 and in other sports, but none of those championships are considered any lesser. Only for lesser fans that can't accept a racing situation, Masi's inclusion/exclusion would be a matter of interest.

"Lesser fans", eh? It's come down to insulting people now?

And for your information, those that have long memories and have been watching F1 for a long time well remember the contentious outcomes; they still have an * by them in many minds for various reasons.

The 1994 championship controversy is mentioned quite a lot of times when people are talking about Schumacher’s championships. After almost 30 years. So it’s not a stretch to expect the same for this one.

[AeroDynamic]

These raw emotions about putting a question mark over a championship, would die down in time either because there are going to be fresh wounds or that there are other exciting things to indulge in. There have been upteen instances where a championship ended different to how it was imagined or liked in F1 and in other sports, but none of those championships are considered any lesser. Only for lesser fans that can't accept a racing situation, Masi's inclusion/exclusion would be a matter of interest.

"Lesser fans", eh? It's come down to insulting people now?

And for your information, those that have long memories and have been watching F1 for a long time well remember the contentious outcomes; they still have an * by them in many minds for various reasons.

The 1994 championship controversy is mentioned quite a lot of times when people are talking about Schumacher’s championships. After almost 30 years. So it’s not a stretch to expect the same for this one.

If the French are pressing this as a cover in their motorsports field already, that forbodes a lasting debate about that championship for years to come.

[PlatinumZealot]

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How come one driver had dead tires and the other newer tires? Isn't that a choice the team made itself?
One team gambled on finishing behind the SC and the other team gambled NOT to finish behind the SC,
as everyone had requested all season.

Erm... Which team principal was the one praying for miracles?!

I'm pretty sure it was one Mr. Christian Horner of RedBull racing! Praying for miracles is gone past the point of gambling. It's literally acknowleging total hopelessness of one's situation to the point that Alien life forms or God himself showing up for dinner is more likely than getting sucess.

[siskue2005]

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Sixty years ago: When sportsmanship cost Stirling Moss the world championship

Great read, didnt known such a thing happened 60 years ago.. when legends wanted to win the championship fair and square! What a legend Moss was

[Just_a_fan]

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Sixty years ago: When sportsmanship cost Stirling Moss the world championship

Great read, didnt known such a thing happened 60 years ago.. when legends wanted to win the championship fair and square! What a legend Moss was

Meanwhile, there was confusion among officials when it was reported that Hawthorn had restarted his car while travelling in the wrong direction; a breach that brought disqualification. At which point, Moss came forward as a witness to point out that his rival had been travelling on the footpath -- which was not part of the circuit. At 11 pm, the officials agreed; Hawthorn could keep second and his six points (plus one for fastest lap).

Two races later, Moss would lose the championship by one point.

Six years ago, over lunch in his Mayfair home, I asked Sir Stirling if he ever had any regrets over his action that day. His look of complete incredulity over such a question made the answer superfluous.

"I had no hesitation in doing it," he said. "I can't see how this is open to debate. He was not on the circuit. The fact that he was my only rival [in the championship] didn't come into my thinking. Absolutely not."

And I think there isn't a driver on the grid today that would have done that.

Hawthorn retired immediately on winning the title and was dead 3 months later in a car crash on the public road.

[siskue2005]

https://www.espn.co.uk/f1/story/_/id/24 ... ampionship

Sixty years ago: When sportsmanship cost Stirling Moss the world championship

Great read, didnt known such a thing happened 60 years ago.. when legends wanted to win the championship fair and square! What a legend Moss was

Meanwhile, there was confusion among officials when it was reported that Hawthorn had restarted his car while travelling in the wrong direction; a breach that brought disqualification. At which point, Moss came forward as a witness to point out that his rival had been travelling on the footpath -- which was not part of the circuit. At 11 pm, the officials agreed; Hawthorn could keep second and his six points (plus one for fastest lap).

Two races later, Moss would lose the championship by one point.

Six years ago, over lunch in his Mayfair home, I asked Sir Stirling if he ever had any regrets over his action that day. His look of complete incredulity over such a question made the answer superfluous.

"I had no hesitation in doing it," he said. "I can't see how this is open to debate. He was not on the circuit. The fact that he was my only rival [in the championship] didn't come into my thinking. Absolutely not."

And I think there isn't a driver on the grid today that would have done that.

Hawthorn retired immediately on winning the title and was dead 3 months later in a car crash on the public road.

True, those were the times when integrity was held higher than winning!

[e30ernest]

These raw emotions about putting a question mark over a championship, would die down in time either because there are going to be fresh wounds or that there are other exciting things to indulge in. There have been upteen instances where a championship ended different to how it was imagined or liked in F1 and in other sports, but none of those championships are considered any lesser. Only for lesser fans that can't accept a racing situation, Masi's inclusion/exclusion would be a matter of interest.

Some people still bring up the Prost vs Senna incident in Japan (even if Senna wouldn't have won that championship anyway) as a case of the championship being stolen from Senna.

I can see the 2021 championship going on as such, especially since there is so much more information of what went on behind the scenes available to the public. Which is sad IMO, because Max was just as much a deserving champion as Lewis would have been.

[diffuser]

If i was Masi, i would have resigned myself long ago, that would have saved some dignity integrity for himself.

Why? Because Hamilton fans wants him to? Any man with integrity would fight out when he believes he did nothing wrong, unless forces beyond his control throw him out without giving a fair trial. Resigning means two things. Guilty and/or caving into bullying.

I'd be very surprised if he isn't punished in some way. I think the range of what will happen is still very large (anything from just a dilution of powers between him and one or more people. To flat out let go).

I think Merc is pushing for Masi's dismissal. It would be the equivalent to the FIA admitting that Hamilton won last year.

[saviour stivala]

https://www.espn.co.uk/f1/story/_/id/24 ... ampionship

Sixty years ago: When sportsmanship cost Stirling Moss the world championship

Great read, didnt known such a thing happened 60 years ago.. when legends wanted to win the championship fair and square! What a legend Moss was

Meanwhile, there was confusion among officials when it was reported that Hawthorn had restarted his car while travelling in the wrong direction; a breach that brought disqualification. At which point, Moss came forward as a witness to point out that his rival had been travelling on the footpath -- which was not part of the circuit. At 11 pm, the officials agreed; Hawthorn could keep second and his six points (plus one for fastest lap).

Two races later, Moss would lose the championship by one point.

Six years ago, over lunch in his Mayfair home, I asked Sir Stirling if he ever had any regrets over his action that day. His look of complete incredulity over such a question made the answer superfluous.

"I had no hesitation in doing it," he said. "I can't see how this is open to debate. He was not on the circuit. The fact that he was my only rival [in the championship] didn't come into my thinking. Absolutely not."

And I think there isn't a driver on the grid today that would have done that.

Hawthorn retired immediately on winning the title and was dead 3 months later in a car crash on the public road.

True, those were the times when integrity was held higher than winning!

Sportsmanship and money plus honesty. Masten Gregory was comfortably leading Moss in the 1958 Cuba GP when a red flag was out and so he slowed, Moss overtook him and finished first, Masten was mad and threatened to protest, Moss said. ‘’listen, if you protest the prize money will be lost. And offered to pool 1st and 2nd place prize money and then split it between himself and Masten. And that is what was done. With Moss declared the winner.

[DChemTech]

Well, for all those past conflicts, I hope at least those cases didn't lead to an involved driver deciding they needed personal security like Latifi hired .

[siskue2005]

Well, for all those past conflicts, I hope at least those cases didn't lead to an involved driver deciding they needed personal security like Latifi hired .

Listen to Prost, he got lots of death threats after 1989

[Jolle]

It’s well known that Timo Glock had a police escort after the Brazilian final and him and his family got a lot of abuse.

[NathanOlder]

And look at the abuse Lewis got going to Spain in 08.

It seems there are plenty of morons these days with a social media account mouthing off to sports men and women. It didnt happen anywhere near as much as recent times , because cowards couldn't take to the internet and hide behind a fake name and give out abuse.

[ispano6]

There will never be an asterisks next to Max's 2021 title ever because he did absolutely nothing wrong or illegal or questionable. Max made a clean pass and Hamilton failed to keep Max behind. Simple as that. Lewis and Bono knew what the situation was. It was a fitting end to a controversial season, where Max and RedBull Honda ended Lewis and Mercedes dominance. That is how it will be remembered!

[Big Tea]

If i was Masi, i would have resigned myself long ago, that would have saved some dignity integrity for himself.

Why? Because Hamilton fans wants him to? Any man with integrity would fight out when he believes he did nothing wrong, unless forces beyond his control throw him out without giving a fair trial. Resigning means two things. Guilty and/or caving into bullying.

I'd be very surprised if he isn't punished in some way. I think the range of what will happen is still very large (anything from just a dilution of powers between him and one or more people. To flat out let go).

I think Merc is pushing for Masi's dismissal. It would be the equivalent to the FIA admitting that Hamilton won last year.

Are Merc pushing for his dismissal? Or do they just want sole power over these events removed from a single person with no restrictions?

The blame is falling on Massi but I think most can see that although it was due to his decisions something was not right in the system.