Mercedes W13

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These are a f1 standard part and cannot be modified just like the halo. So they should all be the same…

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............!!!!

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It literally says that the image below is in “infrared”.
Reading too much into something bounded by two “s” shapes being the same as something else bound by two “s” shapes. Who cares if one starts at the diffuser and the other one at the asphalt half a meter behind!

I am afraid we are up for a long pre-season with people fighting for clicks; truth be damned.

By the way, if posting from another language, please add an english translation or summary. I can read Spanish, but others can’t. English is the common language here.
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hollus wrote:
21 Feb 2022, 04:25
It literally says that the image below is in “infrared”.
Reading too much into something bounded by two “s” shapes being the same as something else bound by two “s” shapes. Who cares if one starts at the diffuser and the other one at the asphalt half a meter behind!

I am afraid we are up for a long pre-season with people fighting for clicks; truth be damned.

By the way, if posting from another language, please add an english translation or summary. I can read Spanish, but others can’t. English is the common language here.


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Shape the inner side of Mercedes W13 diffuser:

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zibby43 wrote:
21 Feb 2022, 00:39
OO7 wrote:
20 Feb 2022, 23:57
zibby43 wrote:
20 Feb 2022, 23:33
Scarbs leading with a point that I was also trying to hammer home here during the launch: This car is not merely a development/continuation of the W12.

https://youtu.be/iH2aj8x1udA
Nice one Zibby. It's been a while, how've you been!
Thank you my friend! I have been well, many thanks for asking! Between starting a new job and needing to take a break after Abu Dhabi, I definitely dropped off the radar for a bit.

How have you been, OO7??
Congrats on the new job!

I'm pretty good myself. I hear you about Abu Dhabi and now I'm just looking forward to see what Merc and the lovely W13 can unleash. The packaging on the car looks great and the PU department have stated they made a lot of changes to the PU. I really like the look of the car and Merc seems to have gone quite aggressive on the "Tiger Claws".

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am314159 wrote:
20 Feb 2022, 12:58

https://i.imgur.com/gqf4W2B.png
Screencaps from kyle.engineers' youtube vid where he refers to it as a "step" at the "flap adjuster bracket" and speculates to its uses for vortex generation.

Disclaimer: I'm not at all familiar with the rules and make no claims either way with regard to legality of the front wing, just pointing out what some people are seeing (perhaps carisi2k too?) and calling a "step" in the front wing.
Yes this is exactly what I was talking about. From my understanding of the rules this is illegal. Maybe someone can explain to me how this is legal.

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carisi2k wrote:
21 Feb 2022, 12:06
am314159 wrote:
20 Feb 2022, 12:58

https://i.imgur.com/gqf4W2B.png
Screencaps from kyle.engineers' youtube vid where he refers to it as a "step" at the "flap adjuster bracket" and speculates to its uses for vortex generation.

Disclaimer: I'm not at all familiar with the rules and make no claims either way with regard to legality of the front wing, just pointing out what some people are seeing (perhaps carisi2k too?) and calling a "step" in the front wing.
Yes this is exactly what I was talking about. From my understanding of the rules this is illegal. Maybe someone can explain to me how this is legal.
There is no step. The vortex is coming from the mounts as for every one.
The special thing here might be the high front wing. Aston and Merc have much more space (now) under the wing, thus the vortex is also changed by this extra flow.
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carisi2k wrote:
21 Feb 2022, 12:06
am314159 wrote:
20 Feb 2022, 12:58

https://i.imgur.com/gqf4W2B.png
Screencaps from kyle.engineers' youtube vid where he refers to it as a "step" at the "flap adjuster bracket" and speculates to its uses for vortex generation.

Disclaimer: I'm not at all familiar with the rules and make no claims either way with regard to legality of the front wing, just pointing out what some people are seeing (perhaps carisi2k too?) and calling a "step" in the front wing.
Yes this is exactly what I was talking about. From my understanding of the rules this is illegal. Maybe someone can explain to me how this is legal.
You're not allowed to step the elements but you are allowed to adjust up to 2 of the elements - so long as at the highest angle the trailing edge is no more than 35mm from it's original position. Then you can add a little endplate to seal the flap tips - a lot of rules about it's thickness, placement in the y-direction, and material...etc.

It's cheeky but the FIA expected it.
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carisi2k wrote:
21 Feb 2022, 12:06
am314159 wrote:
20 Feb 2022, 12:58

https://i.imgur.com/gqf4W2B.png
Screencaps from kyle.engineers' youtube vid where he refers to it as a "step" at the "flap adjuster bracket" and speculates to its uses for vortex generation.

Disclaimer: I'm not at all familiar with the rules and make no claims either way with regard to legality of the front wing, just pointing out what some people are seeing (perhaps carisi2k too?) and calling a "step" in the front wing.
Yes this is exactly what I was talking about. From my understanding of the rules this is illegal. Maybe someone can explain to me how this is legal.
They'll probably say the flap can be 'adjusted' in a way that leaves no step, and the step in merely a function of the way the wing pivots when adjusted.

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That's my post they stole
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OO7 wrote:
21 Feb 2022, 10:53
zibby43 wrote:
21 Feb 2022, 00:39
OO7 wrote:
20 Feb 2022, 23:57

Nice one Zibby. It's been a while, how've you been!
Thank you my friend! I have been well, many thanks for asking! Between starting a new job and needing to take a break after Abu Dhabi, I definitely dropped off the radar for a bit.

How have you been, OO7??
Congrats on the new job!

I'm pretty good myself. I hear you about Abu Dhabi and now I'm just looking forward to see what Merc and the lovely W13 can unleash. The packaging on the car looks great and the PU department have stated they made a lot of changes to the PU. I really like the look of the car and Merc seems to have gone quite aggressive on the "Tiger Claws".
Thanks! And glad to hear it!

I agree. Of course, the stopwatch will tell all, but the level of sophistication and refinement in this early spec is impressive. Even the RW has some lovely details.

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jjn9128 wrote:
22 Feb 2022, 00:38
That's my post they stole
Yep. I found your original and shared it a few posts down from that one.

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f1motta wrote:
21 Feb 2022, 08:57
Shape the inner side of Mercedes W13 diffuser:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FL_XAxtXwAo ... name=large
imo, that is too concave

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ojir19 wrote:
22 Feb 2022, 07:30
f1motta wrote:
21 Feb 2022, 08:57
Shape the inner side of Mercedes W13 diffuser:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FL_XAxtXwAo ... name=large
imo, that is too concave

https://i.postimg.cc/T1wrGywD/W13-FL-XAxtccc.jpg

Care to explain? That shot is so blurry I'm having a hard time telling what I'm looking at.
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