2022 Monaco Grand Prix - Monte Carlo, May 27 - 29

[tomazy]

What we need, is an onboard from Leclerc when he is behind Albon, does anyone has that?

[dialtone]

To be fair to Albon, he’s on slicks v inters so is really on the quicker tyre and accelerating away on the straights

There's no fairness to albon, he was slower, by a lot.

https://i.imgur.com/Eq7Q8kj.png

LEC lap 20 behind albon and lap 21 back into the pits for slicks.

T1 is "inverted" as in lap 20 albon was in the pits still, lap 21 albon goes long in T1, that was at least 0.2-0.3 just on that brake point. Then LEC loses 1 full second in S2 and he was gaining in S3 too but then LEC pits.

With that extra slow lap as well LEC missed out on maxing out the tyre grip for those 3 laps, which instead Checo could do.

Latifi and Albon massacred Ferrari's race. Ferrari would have finished 1-3 instead of 2-4, even with the error from the pits.

You are using 2 Leclerc laps to prove a point. If you want to do a proper analysis add Albon. You cannot compare two different laps as tyres warm up early in the stint which could lead to massive lap time improvements.

I shared Verstappen’s laps

[Spoutnik]

What we need, is an onboard from Leclerc when he is behind Albon, does anyone has that?

[michl420]

I am not sure for what situation OCO is given a penalty but if he had spun in saint devote, HAM would definitly becoming a penalty. And this shows perfectly that drivers get punished not only for their own behavior, and how easily one and the same situation can result in two very different penaltys. Also the discussion about the pit exit line. It MUST be 100% clear in the regulation, otherwise things like Abu Dhabi 2021 happen. And this rules must be executed instantly, because nobody dares to change the result after the race in fear of nasty comments in the press and "certain" race threats.

[epo]

That comment is out of line. The stewards did take a good look at the regulations and gave the drivers within the scope of said regulations the benefit of the doubt. This has nothing to do with bias towards one or other team.

To be frank, insinuations of bias are nowadays being thrown around like if it was candy. It is not helpful in the least.

I mean, you guys want quality discussion, and I can't blame you for that. I also want quality stewarding to accompany quality racing on the track, and we should be calling the stewards and rule makers on their s#@%.

Max will always be in the crosshairs after he got away with his antics in brazil and jeddah last year with not so much as a slap on the wrist. And then the gift at abu dhabi happened of course. It's only natural ppl suspect foul play at the slightest hint of favoritism at this point.

The biggest issue with having a quality discussion is your bias against Max, that makes it virtually impossible, think about that please.

[michl420]

I had a look at Appendix L Chapter IV 4 c) International Sporting Code for this and last year, it used to be:

Except in cases of force majeure (accepted as such by the Stewards), any line painted on the track at the pit exit for the purpose of separating cars leaving the pits from those on the track must not be crossed by any part of a car leaving the pits.

This changed to:

Except in cases of force majeure (accepted as such by the Stewards), any tyre of a car exiting the pit lane must not cross any line painted on the track at the pit exit for the purpose of separating cars leaving the pit lane from those on the track.

The sentence order was changed but the key difference is the change from 'any part of the car' to 'any tyre of the car' - IMHO this was done because the only car part that was actually looked at to enforce this was the tyres.

Hypothetically this would have been 'any part of the car' crossing the line but it would have been fine as they only ever looked at the tyres.
https://i.imgur.com/wbCeZ3R.png

The change of the wording was probably supposed to reflect that - i personally do not believe it was ever meant to change the meaning or intention of the rule.

AFAIK this used to be fine:
https://i.imgur.com/GymiJgO.png

This was a breach of the rule:
https://i.imgur.com/SPlbhd7.png

(correct me if i'm wrong on that)

From LEC's onboard and the wording in the decision document ("All parties agreed that Car 1 did have part of its front left and rear left tyre on the left side of the yellow line.") it looked like this was roughly what Max did:
https://i.imgur.com/JwvZwTm.png

But since yesterday the rule essentially says that this is perfectly fine:
https://i.imgur.com/CRc4wtf.png

As the decision document made it precedent:

In this case, the car did not “cross” the line – to do so it would have needed to have a full wheel to the left of the yellow line.

I find it very hard to believe this is consistent with the intent of the rule which has "the purpose of separating cars leaving the pits from those on the track" and to me it seems that it's another case of the stewards (mis)interpreting the rules post race to not have to interfere with the result.

With the complete lack of penalizing drivers who ignored blue flags, ignoring the pre race times for having wheels on the car, delaying the race and thus screwing over those who actually had a look at the rain radar (M, AM, McL), alleged disagreements about those delays and the pit exit line saga race direction really didn't look all too great, one could argue that there really isn't any improvement from last year - but hey, at least the drivers wear the proper underwear.

I agree with you that something is wrong here, but it is the wording of the rule. The rule is there to seperate the cars from pysical contact, but the cars crash also when only 50% of the tyre from 2 cars are over the line (long before the tyre crosses the line completle, and crossing mean OVER the entire line). The stewards are bond to the (wrong) wording of the rule and judge it right (if we assume the tyre crosses the line not completle). I undestand your point of view and it is right in my oppinion, but the stewarts executed the rules as they are written. It is also debatable why race control did not see it immediately.

[Sevach]

Abysmal race direction...

Freaking Albon holding Leclerc for whole lap and not getting punished... absolute joke... give them the championship already

https://mobile.twitter.com/bozkayaenver ... Rm5SkwQ2uQ

To be fair to Albon, he’s on slicks v inters so is really on the quicker tyre and accelerating away on the straights

That's the thing with what Albon was doing, he's going super slow through the corners (but on the racing line, not moving off) but blasting away on the straights.
Even Latifi cleared when he got to the tunnel.

[pakoyz250f]

So yeah I´m here to say as a Mexican that I am so freaking happy for Checo! and to win with the Pedro rodriguez themed helmet is just priceless... adding a win and a podium! I may order the replica mini helmet.

Of course there is controversy and I feel so so bad for Carlos and Charles... It really sucks for them but like Carlos said it happens to all of them is car racing and I am pretty sure Carlos has his first win coming soon and it´s going to be very special and well deserved as all the formula 1 wins are.

Ferrari messed up bad with charles and about Carlos... I mean Latifi should be warned, penalized something is getting bad. His mistakes have had affected so many races since last season.

He is such a factor that I think top teams strategist already take note about it. (when and what is going to do Latifi next) Sad but true, these should be the top drivers only it's Formula 1 for gods sake...

[Mchamilton]

Does anyone have videos of those two incidents between Ocon and Hamilton?

Thats the only one they showed on TV.
Lewis half a car along side, tries to back out before ocon just turns in for the apex anyway

I guess it's this one where Ocon got the penalty for:
https://streamja.com/7KBGz

No the penalty was for the one i posted

[chrisc90]

Thats the only one they showed on TV.
Lewis half a car along side, tries to back out before ocon just turns in for the apex anyway

I guess it's this one where Ocon got the penalty for:
https://streamja.com/7KBGz

No the penalty was for the one i posted

Id LOVE to know what else Lewis expected there trying to make that move so late into the 1st corner. He was NEVER EVER going to go down the inside there, even if there was more space on Ocon's inside. I feel its a harsh penalty for Ocon that in my opinion.

Even the Youtube clip is typical Lewis....Even with the typical, 'he just turned in on me man' line. That was another corner he was never entitled to.

Quote racefans:

Guidelines for overtaking on the inside of a corner:
“In order for a car being overtaken to be required to give sufficient room to an overtaking car, the overtaking car needs to have a significant portion of the car alongside the car being overtaken and the overtaking manoeuvre must be done in a safe and controlled manner, while enabling the car to clearly remain within the limits of the track.

When considering what is a ‘significant portion’ for an overtaking on the inside of a corner, among the various factors that will be looked at by the stewards when exercising their discretion, the stewards will consider if the overtaking car’s front tyres are alongside the other car by no later than the apex of the corner.”

[Mogster]

There were other incidents. Ocon crowded Hamilton into the pit wall causing most of the wing damage. It was just over aggressive defending.

[Mchamilton]

I guess it's this one where Ocon got the penalty for:
https://streamja.com/7KBGz

No the penalty was for the one i posted

Id LOVE to know what else Lewis expected there trying to make that move so late into the 1st corner. He was NEVER EVER going to go down the inside there, even if there was more space on Ocon's inside. I feel its a harsh penalty for Ocon that in my opinion.

Even the Youtube clip is typical Lewis....Even with the typical, 'he just turned in on me man' line. That was another corner he was never entitled to.

Quote racefans:

Guidelines for overtaking on the inside of a corner:
“In order for a car being overtaken to be required to give sufficient room to an overtaking car, the overtaking car needs to have a significant portion of the car alongside the car being overtaken and the overtaking manoeuvre must be done in a safe and controlled manner, while enabling the car to clearly remain within the limits of the track.

When considering what is a ‘significant portion’ for an overtaking on the inside of a corner, among the various factors that will be looked at by the stewards when exercising their discretion, the stewards will consider if the overtaking car’s front tyres are alongside the other car by no later than the apex of the corner.”

So you just quoted the overtaking guidelines, which says lewis shoulf have been given room. His front wheels were well alongside ocon well before the apex, the only reason they arent alongside ocon at the apex is because lewis had already started to back out of it, ocon just turned in at the usual point regardless

[chrisc90]

So you just quoted the overtaking guidelines, which says lewis shoulf have been given room. His front wheels were well alongside ocon well before the apex, the only reason they arent alongside ocon at the apex is because lewis had already started to back out of it, ocon just turned in at the usual point regardless

Still not sure what he expected. How far do wheels have to be alongside before its classed as entitlement to the corner?

The youtube clip does show Lewis about 1/3 of the way alongside Ocon, but he was never ever going to make the corner regardless, since you would never get 2 cars around the corner.

Maybe thats the way to overtake at monaco, just send it up the inside and claim rights to the corner and claim the car infront turned in on you.

The streamja clip is just plain stupidity from Lewis.

[drunkf1fan]

We've seen not a lot but absolutely we've seen two cars going in side by side. In fact at the start of the race MOST cars go in side by side through T1. To claim that you can't have two cars there, he couldn't make it and thus it's stupidity is ridiculous when there is example after example of this happening. if someone is on the inside you have to stay wide, it's that simple.

[Mogster]

Maybe thats the way to overtake at monaco, just send it up the inside and claim rights to the corner and claim the car infront turned in on you.

I think it was De-resta on the Sky broadcast that described Monaco overtaking thus. “Overtaking at Monaco usually requires a bit of co-operation from the guy in front. Co-operation that involves the guy being passed deciding to avoid an accident”.

I still think F1 should look at implementing no reaction rule as Indycar has. The defending car picks a line and has to stick to it, irrespective of what the attacking car decides to do. There’s none of this looking in the mirrors and reacting to the attacking car. It would make for better racing, especially at venues where overtaking is currently very difficult and made worse by the increasingly aggressive defending that’s now become normalised.