2022 Belgian Grand Prix - Spa-Francorchamps - Aug 26 - 28

[langedweil]

But if you ask him about silverstone 21' he will always say he would do the same exact move all over again. and he would be right, he did nothing wrong. This hitting the apex bs is immaterial because the contact happened before they got to the apex.

Except for the little fact that since that accident he was twice in the same/very similar position and both times he was able to make the corner properly (instead of understeering his opponent off the road) and make it safely through the corner with a competitor who arguably left equal or less space than Verstappen did. But dont let facts get in your way.

He was able to “make the corner properly” in subsequent instances because he was not being squeezed into a wall at 150 mph. It is likely imossible to see the apex from the angle he was in. And you must have missed the part about the contact happened before they got to the apex. So we dont even know for sure if he wouldnt have made it if there was no contact. So yeah your so called “facts” are quite blurry.

Dunno why it keeps coming back, but that was a desperate dive bomb to keep his championship alive and a moment to show some balls .. aside from all the naggle about owning the corner etc.
Let's call it over-eagerness .. absolutely very understandable, but nonetheless stupid and dangerous. Especially in that corner. And 9/10 times the inside line wins. Les Combs with a likewise desperate move showed that as Alo was able to finish pretty decently .. whilst Ham was walking back over a dirtroad.

But, like Gillian sez; time to move on ..

[ringo]

So on the 3 incidents that occurred on the track…. What would you have given?

Perez/leclerc
Alonso/ham
The Williams spinning out…

Perez maybe deserved 5s for that utterly unnecessary squeeze on Charles.
Hamilton's fault, maybe 3/5 grid penalty... stewards do tend to let it go when the guy at fault ends up on the losing side, so nothing new.
Latifi... i don't think there's anything to do here, just an unlucky gift for poor Bottas.

a grid penalty for a racing incident? are ypu serious? and perez walks free? lol
Hamiltons crash wasnt all clearcut. Alonso could have eased up but chose not to. Look on the onboard. Alonso held the curb, but he still held the fastest line he could take from that situation. He did not try to slow down or avoid. So yes Lewis did not see him, but Alonso didnt care about contact. So stewards rightfully had no reason for a penalty.

Amazing how some viewers put LH under a microscope for a simple contact that they see almost every race.

[Big Tea]

Max will have the most wins per season. There is no one to stop him. Literally no one to stop him. 9 wins so far and we have like what? 8 races left? 17 wins in one season is nuts!

It would be great for the sport if he manages to beat the record of Lewis in number of race wins in his career, dont you think?

That is possible if he has the mental stamina to do it. He has the ability and youth on his side. And so far not any real rival from the younger generation.

It is also very probable. If Max is successful, now with 22 races a year there are over 200 opportunities in a decade as opposed to 170 ish there have been or the less than 100 from 'the old days'.

He is already on 29 victories and 16 pole positions so I would say that unless he unexpectedly retires (or does an Alonso) it is a cert.

[Sevach]

So on the 3 incidents that occurred on the track…. What would you have given?

Perez/leclerc
Alonso/ham
The Williams spinning out…

Perez maybe deserved 5s for that utterly unnecessary squeeze on Charles.
Hamilton's fault, maybe 3/5 grid penalty... stewards do tend to let it go when the guy at fault ends up on the losing side, so nothing new.
Latifi... i don't think there's anything to do here, just an unlucky gift for poor Bottas.

a grid penalty for a racing incident? are ypu serious? and perez walks free? lol
Hamiltons crash wasnt all clearcut. Alonso could have eased up but chose not to. Look on the onboard. Alonso held the curb, but he still held the fastest line he could take from that situation. He did not try to slow down or avoid. So yes Lewis did not see him, but Alonso didnt care about contact. So stewards rightfully had no reason for a penalty.

Amazing how some viewers put LH under a microscope for a simple contact that they see almost every race.

Did i say Perez should've walked free? Perez was still in the race therefore he pays in this very race.

[mendis]

So on the 3 incidents that occurred on the track…. What would you have given?

Perez/leclerc
Alonso/ham
The Williams spinning out…

Perez maybe deserved 5s for that utterly unnecessary squeeze on Charles.
Hamilton's fault, maybe 3/5 grid penalty... stewards do tend to let it go when the guy at fault ends up on the losing side, so nothing new.
Latifi... i don't think there's anything to do here, just an unlucky gift for poor Bottas.

a grid penalty for a racing incident? are ypu serious? and perez walks free? lol
Hamiltons crash wasnt all clearcut. Alonso could have eased up but chose not to. Look on the onboard. Alonso held the curb, but he still held the fastest line he could take from that situation. He did not try to slow down or avoid. So yes Lewis did not see him, but Alonso didnt care about contact. So stewards rightfully had no reason for a penalty.

Amazing how some viewers put LH under a microscope for a simple contact that they see almost every race.

Not sure which race you were watching, Hamilton himself accepted the blame. Did Hamilton ease in Silverstone last year?

[Andres125sx]

Even Lewis accepted it was his mistake, but hey, if you say Lewis crashed into Alonso because Alonso never got over it, then I can only (smilies are not intended to help an argument, but to provide a mood about the text )

https://twitter.com/Lonspe1/status/1564195574068527104

Some people have too much free time

[Andres125sx]

2 facts:
Hamilton got a penalty in Silverstone 2021 for that. This is Spa 2022 thread.

If for that you mean for not making the corner, missing the apex, and crashing into Max, then agree, Hamilton got a penalty in Silverstone for that

Alonso didn´t miss the apex, and didn´t crash with anyone tough, it´s Lewis who crashed into Alonso as even Lewis admitted

Looks like some people feel the need to defend Lewis even harder than Lewis himself.

[kalinka]

Actually, it´s exactly the opposite, Hamilton never got over it, so he tries to prove he´s faster than Alonso without team and FIA favouring him, so he tries to prove himself every single time he´s around Alonso on the track.

This was exactly the same as the end of 2007 season, with Lewis overreacting and making silly mistakes while trying to beat Alonso

As Alonso said, cutting someone from the outside is plain stupid

- It's more like Alonso didn't got over it yet.

- Alonso has much more to prove. Jumping teams every few years without any success and ending them like no tomorrow is quite telling about his personality. He could have at least 1-2 more championships without his diva moves.

- I don't think you can honestly think Lewis doesn't know what can be a consequence of cutting someone from the outside. It was a simple misjudgment nothing more. Calling it stupid tells more about Alonso than of Lewis.

Putting a childish 6x LOL's at the end of your post doesn't help your argument either.

Even Lewis accepted it was his mistake, but hey, if you say Lewis crashed into Alonso because Alonso never got over it, then I can only (smilies are not intended to help an argument, but to provide a mood about the text )

Yeah, typical ..changing the topic. I never said it wasn't Lewis's mistake. It was. And your argument is equally silly > you say Hamilton crashed into Alonso because he never got over it. You can't see the forest behind the tree

[Michelangelo]

Hamilton said he won’t be talking to Alonso after his words

[piast9]

Does anyone else see how crappy Sergio's race was?! He was on mediums and got caught by Max mid stint who was on softs!!! Now tell me why does Perez think he deserves anything more than being number two?

Isn't it that the more car feels like a rocket ship to Max the more Sergio is struggling?

[Sieper]

If the softs lasted to that point they are still the grippier tire.

[Mandrake]

Lol. Squeezed Verstappen. Verstappen tried to do at Monza what he later did again in Jeddah, simply decide to drive around the outside from too far behind and expect the driver who dictates the corner to give room. The other driver didn’t and Verstappen was penalized on both occasions, so don’t even try to compare the situations, pal.

Perez pushed Leclerc off the track at the place with the highest speed on the track, which was a highly dangerous manouvre and should at least have been investigated. But the stewards I guess set a precedent for these cases when Leclerc squeezed Hamilton off track at Monza 2019, so it seems to be OK for some reason.

Those penalties are bullshit though. If you manage to drive around the outside of another car to bring yourself into the position that there could be a coming together that's one insane job (Monza in this example). And it's rather poor racecraft by the driver who "dictates" the corner to allow another car round the outside into such a position.

If any driver makes it around the outside into that position, which is one heck of an achievement, than those drivers need to be given space as in any other situation.

Yeah, that’s not how the rules of racing work, which is why there were in fact penalties handed out. Not that I expect most new F1 fans to understand that, but anyway.

New F1 fans? You're not talking about me I suppose, I joined this forum 11 years before you and watched F1 for almost 2 decades before that.

And it is exactly how the rules of racing work. Even more so in most other racing series that are not F1 where racing stewards are capable of judging more than one corner. It's also been the ruling when I worked at race control at the Nürburgring.

[Gillian]

2 facts:
Hamilton got a penalty in Silverstone 2021 for that. This is Spa 2022 thread.

If for that you mean for not making the corner, missing the apex, and crashing into Max, then agree, Hamilton got a penalty in Silverstone for that

Alonso didn´t miss the apex, and didn´t crash with anyone tough, it´s Lewis who crashed into Alonso as even Lewis admitted

Looks like some people feel the need to defend Lewis even harder than Lewis himself.

Just stating facts which seemed to be theme I already gave my opinion which is Alonso could not give more room without going off track.

[vorticism]

If you manage to drive around the outside of another car to bring yourself into the position that there could be a coming together that's one insane job (Monza in this example). And it's rather poor racecraft by the driver who "dictates" the corner to allow another car round the outside into such a position.

If any driver makes it around the outside into that position, which is one heck of an achievement, than those drivers need to be given space as in any other situation.

Yeah, that’s not how the rules of racing work, which is why there were in fact penalties handed out.]

Indeed. The penalty at Silverstone was given because the inside driver deviated from the racing line outward as a defensive maneuver which led to contact with the outside driver. Nothing wrong with that on the straight save for the number of times you attempt it; mid corner is where the sporting rules wording comes in about allowing space for the other driver to complete the corner with the addendum that other variables will be considered per race stewards discression, which they used on Sunday to eschew a penalty by calling it a first lap incident. Alpine/Alonso would probably not have minded to see a penalty given regardles.

[Just_a_fan]

At least he's got a sense of humour...