2022 São Paulo Grand Prix - Interlagos, Nov 11 - 13

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Re: 2022 São Paulo Grand Prix - Interlagos, Nov 11 - 13

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chrisc90 wrote:
13 Nov 2022, 20:35
I fail to see what people are commenting here.

Max made the first left corner, nothing wrong with that. He was alongside Lewis (after being ahead in turn 1). But Lewis didn’t leave enough space on the inside.

Almost the same as the silverstone 21 incident if you exclude the left hander in Brazil.
The problem was that Max was so far right he wasn't going to make the corner without contact.

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Now that Hamilton is showing, I think the cars would look better without the wheel covers.
A lion must kill its prey.

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101FlyingDutchman wrote:
13 Nov 2022, 20:36
Ascari67 wrote:
13 Nov 2022, 20:32
101FlyingDutchman wrote:
13 Nov 2022, 20:29
Those that say that he wouldn’t have made the corner, well that’s complete codswallop. That corner can be taken side by side and he had some right to racing room. Optimistic maybe but I certainly agree with Martin Brundle on this. You can’t just expect the car on the inside to disappear
MV was never getting round that corner on the trajectory he was on, he seems to think he can dive bomb wherever he wants and expect everyone to make room, i'm delighted to see him come unstuck.
Having looked at his onboard I see absolutely no evidence that he wouldn’t have made that corner. You cannot possibly state that with any level of confidence. It’s just opinion your end.
But we shall all argue until the cows come home. For me it’s naive to think of a car on the outside of the corner to turn into the apex when you know it’s side by side, to effectively disappear in 1sec
he could have but by impeding Hamilton out of room. or, if he was the only one on track. No way anyone was going through there with max along side in a fair manner from him.

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AeroDynamic wrote:
13 Nov 2022, 20:38
chrisc90 wrote:
13 Nov 2022, 20:31
AeroDynamic wrote:
13 Nov 2022, 20:29
Max is behind through the braking zone. He got alongside too late, courtesy of dive bombing, like Monza in 2021. Hes gone in with so much speed, hes literally shoved Hamilton off track. if you are in control, you can contact another car without bumping them off track.

Stewards gave him a penalty anyway so I guess in max's words, Lewis did nothing wrong.

How was there any shoving off track when max was on the outside And made the corner still. No dive bombing at all
look at the video. he bangs into Hamilton and barely stays within the white line. if he was in control and didn't need to use the other driver as a landing point.

same as Monza 2021.
Of course he couldn't properly make the corner after his wing was just clipped off. It would have been fine if he had been given the room he was entitled to, given his location.

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RonMexico wrote:
13 Nov 2022, 20:40
Hamilton definitely squeezed him from that view
You can also see though that Max had no chance of actually making the corner.

Just as with Monza, Abu Dhabi, Jeddah 2021, Lewis would have had to park and wait for Max to stop careening across the racing line at a 90 degree angle with no chance to actually turn in, then get going once Max sorted himself out.
Last edited by GrizzleBoy on 13 Nov 2022, 20:43, edited 1 time in total.

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graham.reeds wrote:
13 Nov 2022, 20:40
chrisc90 wrote:
13 Nov 2022, 20:35
I fail to see what people are commenting here.

Max made the first left corner, nothing wrong with that. He was alongside Lewis (after being ahead in turn 1). But Lewis didn’t leave enough space on the inside.

Almost the same as the silverstone 21 incident if you exclude the left hander in Brazil.
The problem was that Max was so far right he wasn't going to make the corner without contact.
How do you KNOW this?! Lots of armchair opinion swinging going on. Fact is at the point of contact happened as HAM goes for apex whilst VER is on the curb. He cannot possibly go ANYWHERE else

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Hamilton 1 stopper I bet.
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Racing room…..
Mess with the Bull - you get the horns.

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Yep Hamiltons’s going for the 1 stopper.
A lion must kill its prey.

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AR3-GP wrote:
13 Nov 2022, 20:43
Yep Hamiltons’s going for the 1 stopper.
Nevermind.
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101FlyingDutchman wrote:
13 Nov 2022, 20:42
graham.reeds wrote:
13 Nov 2022, 20:40
chrisc90 wrote:
13 Nov 2022, 20:35
I fail to see what people are commenting here.

Max made the first left corner, nothing wrong with that. He was alongside Lewis (after being ahead in turn 1). But Lewis didn’t leave enough space on the inside.

Almost the same as the silverstone 21 incident if you exclude the left hander in Brazil.
The problem was that Max was so far right he wasn't going to make the corner without contact.
How do you KNOW this?! Lots of armchair opinion swinging going on. Fact is at the point of contact happened as HAM goes for apex whilst VER is on the curb. He cannot possibly go ANYWHERE else
We never get to KNOW anything since Verstappen has a tendency to prevent that with his driving. What we do KNOW is that he was penalized and Hamilton was not.

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chrisc90 wrote:
13 Nov 2022, 20:42
https://ibb.co/H4XwjtV

Racing room…..
Absolutely great shot. I cannot believe anyone can state with any level of certainty that he wouldn’t have made that corner given some racing room

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GrizzleBoy wrote:
13 Nov 2022, 20:41
RonMexico wrote:
13 Nov 2022, 20:40
Hamilton definitely squeezed him from that view
You can also see though that Max had no chance of actually making the corner.

Both things are true

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graham.reeds wrote:
13 Nov 2022, 20:40
chrisc90 wrote:
13 Nov 2022, 20:35
I fail to see what people are commenting here.

Max made the first left corner, nothing wrong with that. He was alongside Lewis (after being ahead in turn 1). But Lewis didn’t leave enough space on the inside.

Almost the same as the silverstone 21 incident if you exclude the left hander in Brazil.
The problem was that Max was so far right he wasn't going to make the corner without contact.
+1

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101FlyingDutchman wrote:
13 Nov 2022, 20:42
graham.reeds wrote:
13 Nov 2022, 20:40
chrisc90 wrote:
13 Nov 2022, 20:35
I fail to see what people are commenting here.

Max made the first left corner, nothing wrong with that. He was alongside Lewis (after being ahead in turn 1). But Lewis didn’t leave enough space on the inside.

Almost the same as the silverstone 21 incident if you exclude the left hander in Brazil.
The problem was that Max was so far right he wasn't going to make the corner without contact.
How do you KNOW this?! Lots of armchair opinion swinging going on. Fact is at the point of contact happened as HAM goes for apex whilst VER is on the curb. He cannot possibly go ANYWHERE else
He could of braked and not gone for a gap that was never going to exist when he arrived.