He isnt wrong though really is he.
How many first lap or wheel to wheel contact has Lewis had this year?
He isnt wrong though really is he.
Because it’s evident that Hamilton is so much inside Verstappen’s head that he gets red mist as soon as he sees him. The penalty standings between the pair speak for itself. And then he was even let off the hook SEVERELY last year in both Brazil and Jeddah for some of his antics, which would have added to that tally. He was literally saved from a penalty in Brazil for the infamous driving Hamilton off track moment in turn 4 because of ”missing camera angles” and the idiotic brake testing in Jeddah could easily have been a race ban if things were not done for ”the show”.AR3-GP wrote: ↑14 Nov 2022, 00:28You say he has a history of ruining other drivers' races, but how come there is no record of this beyond interactions with Hamilton? How come he didn't have trouble with Russell, Leclerc, or Sainz all year in so many wheel to wheel battles with them and we were treated to spectacular battles this season with verstappen against the other three in places like Bahrain, Spain, Austria, USA, Imola and the sprint yesterday?Tvetovnato wrote: ↑14 Nov 2022, 00:25Don’t drag Hamilton into the filth that Verstappen is doing. Hamilton backed out of multiple occasions last year to save his race and let Verstappen off the hook. When he doesn’t yield, it ends in a crash where Verstappen is penalized by the stewards more often than not. Hamilton has always been considered to be one of the greats in wheel to wheel action by multiple drivers and has usually no problems with anyone, bar a few racing incidents as all drivers have from time to time.Edax wrote: ↑14 Nov 2022, 00:12
No, sorry, should have worded it better. If you have Hamilton or Verstappen alongside you know they are going to stay there, and force the accident upon you. Most of the other drivers know that and yield.
It is not that they adapt their driving to other drivers, it is just that the other drivers adapt their driving to them.
Unfortunately Hamilton and Verstappen havent figured out yet that that strategy does not work on each other.
Verstappen is unable to keep it clean, not because of bad car control, but because of bad attitude and not caring if he ruins other drivers races, just because he feels like it. He even admitted that after this race. He is a petulant child who was not raised properly, which is quite evident today, not only because of his comments on the Hamilton take-out attempt, but also with his behaviour towards Perez.
Many contacts which were not even his fault. You tried to bring it up earlier in the year too without any success.chrisc90 wrote: ↑14 Nov 2022, 00:36He isnt wrong though really is he.
How many first lap or wheel to wheel contact has Lewis had this year?
He's up to 14 penalty points from collisions in his career which I'm pretty sure is the most all time (next closest I can find is 10). Also the points he earned today should equalize him for general points with Vettel for the most all time (32 total).AR3-GP wrote: ↑14 Nov 2022, 00:28You say he has a history of ruining other drivers' races, but how come there is no record of this beyond interactions with Hamilton? How come he didn't have trouble with Russell, Leclerc, or Sainz all year in so many wheel to wheel battles with them and we were treated to spectacular battles this season with verstappen against the other three in places like Bahrain, Spain, Austria, USA, Imola and the sprint yesterday?
I agree it's a poor narrative, but I also think it's poor form on your part to perpetuate what Alonso said too. I don't think Hamilton is "only good from the front".
Agreed totally. Which is why they both need to wisen up and learn to respect each other on track. Because it could be extremely costly next year for either one if they keep giving eachother no quarter.AR3-GP wrote: ↑14 Nov 2022, 00:47I agree it's a poor narrative, but I also think it's poor form on your part to perpetuate what Alonso said too. I don't think Hamilton is "only good from the front".
What I think is what the post a few messages above said. The likes of Verstappen, Alonso, and Hamilton are extremely successful for many reasons and the reason they are so successful is the same reason they have some much trouble with one another.
AR3-GP wrote: ↑14 Nov 2022, 00:47I agree it's a poor narrative, but I also think it's poor form on your part to perpetuate what Alonso said too. I don't think Hamilton is "only good from the front".
What I think is what the post a few messages above said. The likes of Verstappen, Alonso, and Hamilton are extremely successful for many reasons and the reason they are so successful is the same reason they have some much trouble with one another.
You're absolutely right, but what sets Hamilton apart from the 19 other drivers?AR3-GP wrote: ↑14 Nov 2022, 00:28You say he has a history of ruining other drivers' races, but how come there is no record of this beyond interactions with Hamilton? How come he didn't have trouble with Russell, Leclerc, or Sainz all year in so many wheel to wheel battles with them and we were treated to spectacular battles this season with verstappen against the other three in places like Bahrain, Spain, Austria, USA, Imola and the sprint yesterday?
People who have been watching the sport for more than 5 minutes have seen plenty of that and Hamilton was generally competing for the WDC in the final race of those seasons...you know, because he's quite good.
Hamilton beat Alonso and Button and Rosberg in identical cars, and Vettel in the 'more-than-a-match' Ferrari. And, many would argue, Verstappen last year (despite long COVID, being a pensioner in F1 terms and 'one-off' rulings around 'racing incidents'). How many reigning WDCs have been in the sister Red Bull to 'Super Max'? And, remind me, how did Verstappen do against Ricciardo in an identical car?
I don't want to dwell too much on Monaco, but look at this twitter thread. Be sure to click the full conversation.mzivtins wrote: ↑14 Nov 2022, 01:17There are things on social media claiming there is knowledge that Perez deliberately span at Monaco, and for some reason RB know this.
If this is true then I agree with max, but for it to be true it means Perez as a person is flawed, abd red bull leadership could put themselves in a position of being involved and would likely have to exit the sport.
Given how ridiculous it would be for these things to be true, I call bullshit.
Max said he knew the gap would close and he went for it anyway. That's a smoking gun if ever there was one. He admitted deliberately putting his car in a position where he knew contact would occur.AR3-GP wrote: ↑13 Nov 2022, 23:29I think you are letting your imagination run wild with that interview. It's not the smoking gun you claim it is.
Max wasn't really under any obligation to back out when he's racing for position. It just so happens that if either driver had backed out, there would not have been a collision. The stewards can't tell a driver they have to backout. It's up the driver. All the stewards can do is administer penalties if they feel a driver did something wrong. Whether Max claims he could have backed out or chose not to is tangential because it's the same thing you could ask Hamilton. Hamilton likewise chose not to backout.
It really doesn't matter if you knew there would be a collision if you feel you are entitled to space and stay in the gap anyway. Hamilton likewise must have seen Max's car (or maybe he said he didn't see?).
He literally hit Sainz yesterday at T1 on lap 19? That's why Verstappen lost his endplateAR3-GP wrote: ↑14 Nov 2022, 00:28You say he has a history of ruining other drivers' races, but how come there is no record of this beyond interactions with Hamilton? How come he didn't have trouble with Russell, Leclerc, or Sainz all year in so many wheel to wheel battles with them and we were treated to spectacular battles this season with verstappen against the other three in places like Bahrain, Spain, Austria, USA, Imola and the sprint yesterday?
Again I don't think you quite get my point.MadMax wrote: ↑14 Nov 2022, 01:23Max said he knew the gap would close and he went for it anyway. That's a smoking gun if ever there was one. He admitted deliberately putting his car in a position where he knew contact would occur.AR3-GP wrote: ↑13 Nov 2022, 23:29I think you are letting your imagination run wild with that interview. It's not the smoking gun you claim it is.
Max wasn't really under any obligation to back out when he's racing for position. It just so happens that if either driver had backed out, there would not have been a collision. The stewards can't tell a driver they have to backout. It's up the driver. All the stewards can do is administer penalties if they feel a driver did something wrong. Whether Max claims he could have backed out or chose not to is tangential because it's the same thing you could ask Hamilton. Hamilton likewise chose not to backout.
It really doesn't matter if you knew there would be a collision if you feel you are entitled to space and stay in the gap anyway. Hamilton likewise must have seen Max's car (or maybe he said he didn't see?).
You continually attempt to blame Hamilton, and that is your right, but when a person admits to a crime that's fairly good evidence that it's his fault.