Ferrari SF23

[GrrG]

Telemetry Ferrari test day 1 by Federico Albano

https://www.formulapassion.it/opinioni/ ... telemetria

[aleks_ader]

Yeah more like baby bouncing haha. If it fast and in AOM metric who cares. Same goes for looks.

Seems Merc and Ferrari both sticked with known philosophies. Its shows that F1 aerodynamicist can skin the cat differently and still get the similar results (although HUGE caviat for now).

Would be very exiting too see if Ferrari shows more low drag character. And Merc shows more load and drag. Too me seems Ferrari very slick design.

They avoided internal aero at all cost. Arguably less skin friction hence less drag already. Still rest of car is very 2005ih philosophy really. Gills with modern pre 2022 slim coke bottle treatment. Quite cute :d although by whole grid quite gentle undercut.

[MtthsMlw]

First look under the hood from Fabrega

[Andi76]

According to Franco Nugnes, today Ferrari was just search the correct balance of the car, exploring various heights from the ground to see when porpoising appear.

That sounds reassuring, because it really didn't look good in the afternoon.

Here's an interesting comparison of Ferrari and Mercedes :



What surprises me here is that the W14 has a much larger rear wing. Compared to almost all other cars. This suggests that Ferrari obviously generates more downforce via the underbody than Mercedes, even though Ferrari may not have driven with the actual Bahrain wing. This brought something back to my mind - that many Italian experts in 2022 have claimed that the Mercedes concept generates less downforce than Ferrari's concept, while Mercedes itself and the British and German media have always claimed that the Zeropod concept achieves superior downforce. Mercedes could not use it only because of the higher ground clearances imposed by porpoising and had to use larger wings. But the fact that Mercedes is using very large wings again with the W14 makes me slowly doubt this version and rather believe the Italian experts. Because why should Mercedes use larger wings again with the W14 if this concept (even if it is no longer a "full" zeropod concept) brings such superior downforce values? For me this makes no sense, because if I produce superior downforce via underbody and diffuser, I use smaller wings to have less drag to have even a higher top speed.

Yeah more like baby bouncing haha. If it fast and in AOM metric who cares. Same goes for looks.

Seems Merc and Ferrari both sticked with known philosophies. Its shows that F1 aerodynamicist can skin the cat differently and still get the similar results (although HUGE caviat for now).

Would be very exiting too see if Ferrari shows more low drag character. And Merc shows more load and drag. Too me seems Ferrari very slick design.

They avoided internal aero at all cost. Arguably less skin friction hence less drag already. Still rest of car is very 2005ih philosophy really. Gills with modern pre 2022 slim coke bottle treatment. Quite cute :d although by whole grid quite gentle undercut.

Rory Byrne had a lot of influence on the design and concept of a new car for the first time since the F2007 with the F1-75. So it should come as no surprise that the F1-75 and the SF-23 that evolved from it bear much of his signature, rather than just refined detail solutions, projects, concepts and improvements he contributed to the 2017 and 2018 Ferraris. So it's fair to say that the SF-23 resembles a 2005 Ferrari or an F2004 to some extent. But I would rather say that it bears Rory Byrne's signature. It's a pity that Rory only works part time as a consultant. And from Thailand. What would be possible if he would work 250 hours a month on site in Maranello like from 1997-2004 and 2006?

[Vanja #66]

Such a beautiful engine cover, absolutely stunning!

[GrrG]

Ferrari: development of the SF-23 begins tomorrow

https://www.formu1a.uno/ferrari-cominci ... lla-sf-23/

The article says that Ferrari is testing a new floor between tomorrow and Saturday

[JPBD1990]

Very good comparison shot of the rears of Ferrari and redbull.

Surprising to me is that redbull is clearly carrying significantly more downforce, and today achieved a superior top speed.

This could be of concern, though acknowledging how early we are before people come for me whole hog!

Also according to telemetries I’ve seen of Sainz best lap vs Verstappen, it seems the Ferrari is generating solid mechanical grip despite the lower downforce rear wing specs - which is encouraging and counter to the above point of concern.

[AR3-GP]

What surprises me here is that the W14 has a much larger rear wing. Compared to almost all other cars. This suggests that Ferrari obviously generates more downforce via the underbody than Mercedes, even though Ferrari may not have driven with the actual Bahrain wing. This brought something back to my mind - that many Italian experts in 2022 have claimed that the Mercedes concept generates less downforce than Ferrari's concept, while Mercedes itself and the British and German media have always claimed that the Zeropod concept achieves superior downforce. Mercedes could not use it only because of the higher ground clearances imposed by porpoising and had to use larger wings. But the fact that Mercedes is using very large wings again with the W14 makes me slowly doubt this version and rather believe the Italian experts. Because why should Mercedes use larger wings again with the W14 if this concept (even if it is no longer a "full" zeropod concept) brings such superior downforce values? For me this makes no sense, because if I produce superior downforce via underbody and diffuser, I use smaller wings to have less drag to have even a higher top speed.

I share a similar degree of confusion. The skinny wing on the Ferrari for a medium load circuit like Bahrain is impressive and suggest they are generating quite a bit of performance from the floor. In comparison to opposition (i know I'm treading water with staying on topic...). You would be lead to believe the Ferrari has the stronger floor.

[AR3-GP]

Very good comparison shot of the rears of Ferrari and redbull.

Surprising to me is that redbull is clearly carrying significantly more downforce, and today achieved a superior top speed.

Top speed is measured with the wing open so to a certain extent, the shape of the wing when it is closed doesn't matter so much.

[deadhead]

Rory Byrne had a lot of influence on the design and concept of a new car for the first time since the F2007 with the F1-75. So it should come as no surprise that the F1-75 and the SF-23 that evolved from it bear much of his signature, rather than just refined detail solutions, projects, concepts and improvements he contributed to the 2017 and 2018 Ferraris. So it's fair to say that the SF-23 resembles a 2005 Ferrari or an F2004 to some extent. But I would rather say that it bears Rory Byrne's signature. It's a pity that Rory only works part time as a consultant. And from Thailand. What would be possible if he would work 250 hours a month on site in Maranello like from 1997-2004 and 2006?

I think him and the aero team at Ferrari nailed the design of the F1-75 for the original 2022 regulations, but unfortunately those changed quite a bit in a critical area in the middle of last year, and even further now, so hopefully they can adopt to it. Do we know if Byrne was involved at all with the current project?

[f1316]

Very good comparison shot of the rears of Ferrari and redbull.

Surprising to me is that redbull is clearly carrying significantly more downforce, and today achieved a superior top speed.

Top speed is measured with the wing open so to a certain extent, the shape of the wing when it is closed doesn't matter so much.

Given the Haas had a higher top speed despite a larger wing, the simple explanation is that Ferrari are running the engine lower.

My sense is that today was really all about establishing a baseline - wrt setup, ride heights and running a simple floor so as to not introduce too many variables -
and so really none of the outwardly visible data is really especially relevant.

[AR3-GP]

Very good comparison shot of the rears of Ferrari and redbull.

Surprising to me is that redbull is clearly carrying significantly more downforce, and today achieved a superior top speed.

Top speed is measured with the wing open so to a certain extent, the shape of the wing when it is closed doesn't matter so much.

Given the Haas had a higher top speed despite a larger wing, the simple explanation is that Ferrari are running the engine lower.

Where you are seeing this? Every source I looked at has Haas at 322 km/h and Ferrari at a 325 km/h. The Ferrari has the higher top speed.

[Andi76]

Rory Byrne had a lot of influence on the design and concept of a new car for the first time since the F2007 with the F1-75. So it should come as no surprise that the F1-75 and the SF-23 that evolved from it bear much of his signature, rather than just refined detail solutions, projects, concepts and improvements he contributed to the 2017 and 2018 Ferraris. So it's fair to say that the SF-23 resembles a 2005 Ferrari or an F2004 to some extent. But I would rather say that it bears Rory Byrne's signature. It's a pity that Rory only works part time as a consultant. And from Thailand. What would be possible if he would work 250 hours a month on site in Maranello like from 1997-2004 and 2006?

I think him and the aero team at Ferrari nailed the design of the F1-75 for the original 2022 regulations, but unfortunately those changed quite a bit in a critical area in the middle of last year, and even further now, so hopefully they can adopt to it. Do we know if Byrne was involved at all with the current project?

He was involved in the current project. He still works as a consultant for Ferrari.
But it is questionable whether, after it became clear that Binotto would leave, he reduced his support and work. This was a topic that was always a bit too personal for me to ask about. However, Rory has always been extremely busy. But he also has, despite his 79 years, four other side jobs in addition to his involvement with Ferrari. In general, such changes are exactly the strength of people like Rory Byrne, who unlike today's specialized technicians in individual areas, have worked on every area and aspect of an F1 car for many years. If you move one bolt at the front of the car, he can tell you exactly what the impact is on the rest of the car and what needs to be changed there.

[ryaan2904]

I think performance this year will depend more on sticking the rear, unlike last year where a better front end meant more performance. This years pirellis seem good so far, especially at the front.
I have to say, increasing the undercut and pushing more air towards the rear was a good strat by RB engineers. Ferrari has also made progress here, with the new pods. But RB feel very dominant from day 1. Rumours say ferrari are bringing a new floor on day 3. Hopefully we can eliminate porpoising with it. If not then this season will be an uphill battle for ferrari

[Vanja #66]

This is a Car thread, not the Test Setup thread, these topics belong here --> viewtopic.php?p=1113477#p1113477