We are in a serious conversation here. Why bother trolling?saviour stivala wrote: ↑06 Apr 2023, 05:39Number 44 will quickly adapt again to the car as soon as he is provided with the fastest car again, who wouldn't.
I was serious and wasn't trolling, I was talking facts as has been proved in past years when he was provided with the best, most powerful and fastest car on the grid.PlatinumZealot wrote: ↑07 Apr 2023, 02:17We are in a serious conversation here. Why bother trolling?saviour stivala wrote: ↑06 Apr 2023, 05:39Number 44 will quickly adapt again to the car as soon as he is provided with the fastest car again, who wouldn't.
Bottas started moving before lights even went out (by around 0.02-0.04s), so by all usual definitions he jumped the start, however he didn't move enough distance to trigger an automatic sensor, and that's the only thing that matters as per f1 rules.mendis wrote: ↑07 Apr 2023, 00:52Charlie Whiting had said, good luck if you can pre-empt and stay positive on the reaction time when the Bottas incident happened . So nothing wrong even if it's +0.01 of a second.
They are claiming they will go the AMR route with waterslides.
How do you have a role of Chief Technical Officer if you are not part of the team? Seems very strange to me. Is that a way of Mercedes having someone do that role, without effectively paying them out of the teams budget?Wouter wrote: ↑08 Apr 2023, 11:26A long exclusive interview with Toto Wolff on the Italian Motorsport site.
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No not really. Last year Williams basically did the same. They had the b-spec for Albon whilst Latifi got the dog. Even though as it turned out Latifi got better result somehow (if I'm remembering it correctly).
If there is a major concept change, they would most likely face difficulties in doing so. Usually, new concepts or even major upgrades (2019 Winter test 2, Germany 2020) throws the teams off. It takes a couple of races to set the car in the right direction. If the wind tunnel numbers say it's better and the wind tunnel has no issues, then trust it and start understanding and optimising the package rather than comparing it on track. Having both cars with new package helps gain more data.
You make some good points but you're forgetting to add the most important factor... Everything is relevant to the competition. So it doesn't matter if Williams are faster than last year, they are still slower than the competition. Much slower.ValeVida46 wrote: ↑04 Apr 2023, 15:15I've provided the links to show that Williams did indeed change their cooling and rad positioning.basti313 wrote: ↑04 Apr 2023, 14:06Because they did not.
For Williams it is a quite obvious backmarker move, they just changed the rad angle a bit, moved some auxiliaries. We can argue without making a real point about the word "concept", but they just put a big, empty piece of bodywork in front of the rear wheel. For me this is a quick fix of a bad car, not a concept. I would even say it was not a fix, it did not make the car any better.
Same for Aston. They did not make the car any better with a 1:1 sidepod copy of the RedBull. Because they could only change the internals for the 23 season. The performance jump is obvious, isn't it?
This is definitely not what Merc needs to do, Merc needs a concept to be/stay in the top 3.
Aston too as pointed out here by the intrepid Fabrega.
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Whether that means quick fix of a bad car does not mean it's not possible to change as you suggest, nor does it automatically mean it will be bad.
As for what the gain would be for Mercedes to play around with their concept, only they would know as they are privy to the data.
I for one would not be inclined to say what Mercedes should or should not do, because of that very reason.
Everything is Data dependant, making assumptions based on what Aston and Williams did last year essentially ignores where they are this year...ie ahead of where they were last year. Surely that is ample evidence of progress.
Besides, we don't know what their changes will be and surely they deserve the same opportunity afforded to every other team to change based on their own data?
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.However, rumours had bubbled up recently which suggested Allison was to return to Mercedes’ F1 scene after another tricky start to a campaign in F1 2023.
Wolff though made it clear that Allison’s duties within the team do not stretch any further than being involved in key discussions.
Asked how involved Allison is with the F1 business, Wolff replied: “He is not involved.
“He plays an active role when long-term team strategies are discussed, but nowadays he devotes his time to other activities such as the America’s Cup project and other programmes aimed at innovation.”
