No no no, red flag and standing start. Need to create a spectacle
Why not put Gravel where we can, and where we can't put gravel, don't enforce track limits and leave the playing field level? Or simply make the track larger at those points.vorticism wrote: ↑02 Jul 2023, 22:07How about a penalty system for bodywork like the PU tokens.
Yes, I've been arguing from the position of safety and sporting regs, not repair costs.
That's true; and those are examples of grass leading to shunts, for sure. But that's also the point. Grass may cause a shunt, ideally not a bad one. That's where the asphalt instead of gravel/sand/more grass/uneven terrain comes in. Since the that's what seems to be causing the severe instances, not the grass per se.
So, Suzuka but optimized, you might say.
The amount of run off area I would assume. I had looked at that too. The run off where there is Gravel is very big. I guess the other corners don't have enough relative to the speeds the cars will carry.
Albon got 3 warnings within 1,5 lap.KimiRai wrote: ↑02 Jul 2023, 22:24Without the reset after 10 seconds penalties, Ocon would have gotten a total of 140 seconds instead of 30.
Was it that the FIA never told the team he was doing off tracks and so logically he continued to drive as if nothing happened? If so it's a farce and not his fault at all.
Agreed. They are supposed to get fair warning, did he even get a warning, did all of the drivers on the list get a black and white flag? If not, how can this penalty be applied, it seems very stupid.KimiRai wrote: ↑02 Jul 2023, 22:38(Had to delete to check the maths again)
Ocon had 10 lap times deleted as shown in the FIA documents. Without the reset due to "excessive number of infringements", Ocon would have gotten a total of 140 seconds instead of 30. (5+10+15+20+25+30+35 = 140)
Was it that the FIA never told the team he was doing off tracks and so logically he continued to drive as if nothing happened? If so it's a farce and not his fault at all. Total mess
A total joke, I wonder if Alan Permane might try to appeal the decision, they have the right to do so.mwillems wrote: ↑02 Jul 2023, 22:41Agreed. They are supposed to get fair warning, did he even get a warning, did all of the drivers on the list get a black and white flag? If not, how can this penalty be applied, it seems very stupid.KimiRai wrote: ↑02 Jul 2023, 22:38(Had to delete to check the maths again)
Ocon had 10 lap times deleted as shown in the FIA documents. Without the reset due to "excessive number of infringements", Ocon would have gotten a total of 140 seconds instead of 30. (5+10+15+20+25+30+35 = 140)
Was it that the FIA never told the team he was doing off tracks and so logically he continued to drive as if nothing happened? If so it's a farce and not his fault at all. Total mess
Down facing camera with light might work; that's what dialtone was also suggesting? Plus review team. They have ride height and slip angle sensors, maybe they could be used to measure instantaneous presence of paint lines. I like the dumb tech redundancy of track:slick-zone:asphalt, or mechanical switches attached to lights (a most basic type of circuit).