This is the angle of attach (AoA) of the wings.MrGapes wrote: ↑01 Sep 2023, 10:16https://ibb.co/hCBr6vv
sorry for the sloppy illustration, just emphasizing the orientation of the wings.
Top = Hori/Vert
Middle = Hori/Hori
Bottom = Vert/Vert
I thank the comrade for these photos. If I understand correctly, with a loaded rear wing, an unloaded beam wing is used. With an unloaded rear wing, a slightly more loaded beam wing is used. From this I can assume that the team is looking to get a certain amount of downforce in the rear, as well as balance the flows and try not to go beyond a certain amount of drag.MrGapes wrote: ↑01 Sep 2023, 09:47https://ibb.co/fMHwGF0
Double hori. beam wing planes as expected on higher df configuration.
https://ibb.co/Jv7Zz90
More conventional hori/vert beam wing on lower df.
I think it is more about the low pressure zone and expansion of air around the diffuser than DF.LionsHeart wrote: ↑01 Sep 2023, 10:46I thank the comrade for these photos. If I understand correctly, with a loaded rear wing, an unloaded beam wing is used. With an unloaded rear wing, a slightly more loaded beam wing is used. From this I can assume that the team is looking to get a certain amount of downforce in the rear, as well as balance the flows and try not to go beyond a certain amount of drag.MrGapes wrote: ↑01 Sep 2023, 09:47https://ibb.co/fMHwGF0
Double hori. beam wing planes as expected on higher df configuration.
https://ibb.co/Jv7Zz90
More conventional hori/vert beam wing on lower df.
This does not contradict my words. The lower the pressure under the wing, then we get more downforce.mwillems wrote: ↑01 Sep 2023, 10:57I think it is more about the low pressure zone and expansion of air around the diffuser than DF.LionsHeart wrote: ↑01 Sep 2023, 10:46I thank the comrade for these photos. If I understand correctly, with a loaded rear wing, an unloaded beam wing is used. With an unloaded rear wing, a slightly more loaded beam wing is used. From this I can assume that the team is looking to get a certain amount of downforce in the rear, as well as balance the flows and try not to go beyond a certain amount of drag.MrGapes wrote: ↑01 Sep 2023, 09:47https://ibb.co/fMHwGF0
Double hori. beam wing planes as expected on higher df configuration.
https://ibb.co/Jv7Zz90
More conventional hori/vert beam wing on lower df.
Well the downforce wouldn't just appear at the rear as the floor will be designed to balance the Suction/DF under the car. So the beam wings aren't really for DF at the rear, but for the extraction of air from the floor and DF throughout the floor as a result of the enhanced expansion from the diffuser. I'm just adding to be clear because your words suggest that the impact is the direct generation of DF by the Beam Wing, which won't be that big.LionsHeart wrote: ↑01 Sep 2023, 11:05This does not contradict my words. The lower the pressure under the wing, then we get more downforce.mwillems wrote: ↑01 Sep 2023, 10:57I think it is more about the low pressure zone and expansion of air around the diffuser than DF.LionsHeart wrote: ↑01 Sep 2023, 10:46
I thank the comrade for these photos. If I understand correctly, with a loaded rear wing, an unloaded beam wing is used. With an unloaded rear wing, a slightly more loaded beam wing is used. From this I can assume that the team is looking to get a certain amount of downforce in the rear, as well as balance the flows and try not to go beyond a certain amount of drag.
I also have an idea that in McLaren I will try to extract more efficiency, top speed and less drag with a larger rear wing, as the effect of the DRS will be greater. But that's where I stop my discussion for now. I want to see how the first two free sessions go.
Glad to see at least one item is an overall performance modification
Again, you misunderstood me.mwillems wrote: ↑01 Sep 2023, 11:10Well the downforce wouldn't just appear at the rear as the floor will be designed to balance the Suction/DF under the car. So the beam wings aren't really for DF at the rear, but for the extraction of air from the floor and DF throughout the floor as a result of the enhanced expansion from the diffuser. I'm just adding to be clear because your words suggest that the impact is the direct generation of DF by the Beam Wing, which won't be that big.LionsHeart wrote: ↑01 Sep 2023, 11:05This does not contradict my words. The lower the pressure under the wing, then we get more downforce.
I also have an idea that in McLaren I will try to extract more efficiency, top speed and less drag with a larger rear wing, as the effect of the DRS will be greater. But that's where I stop my discussion for now. I want to see how the first two free sessions go.