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Yes but why ban something f that alters toe but not ride height using the steering. But who knows.LionsHeart wrote: ↑15 Sep 2023, 08:43But only Merc had the DAS system? There is a different system here that changes the level of ground clearance when you turn the steering wheel, that is, when you turn the wheels. It always seemed to me that this is the norm and is connected with the geometry of the suspension and caster placement. Camber should have less of an impact on this.mwillems wrote: ↑15 Sep 2023, 02:18You'd think so if DAS was banned.
Another thought is that the way the car interacts with the tyres, that it needs a higher load to have them behave the way the car likes and to provide either the right level of mechanical grip or to provide the right platform for the Aero. Perhaps the V profile that we need to attack the slow corner is to throw the car with more energy into a shorter corner. Are we not able to control the behaviour of the tyres under too little load? This would relate to an earlier issue where the car was poor when off braking and off throttle. If so this could be improved with more front downforce.
Regarding your comment, that's a good question. If you look at Lando’s racing trajectory in Austria, then everything is not so simple. When the tires were fresh, he could afford a classic qualifying line, but when the tires were worn out he used a more V-shaped line in Turn 3. I remember we already discussed this, but even this one specific turn can already indicate that the wear of the front tires may be even higher than the rear, or this was due to the setup of the car and the lack of sufficient practice to select the optimal settings.
True, something similar happened again at Silverstone, then in the race when the tires were worn out, Lando also experienced understeer in turn 3, while Charles and Max sometimes had too much input, on their cars the rear was more nimble, but less stable, especially Ferrari. There they went from understeer to oversteer. Bad balance.
I'll be honest, I don't fully understand it yet, but I admit that McLaren is still lacking a little bit in all areas. Still, our drivers wear out their tires faster and begin to lose race pace faster. This was not so noticeable at Silverstone, but there the aero package was very optimal in terms of overall downforce loading and wing dimensions.
Maybe our car goes fast only in a narrow range of suspension settings? Then this would explain a lot, but it’s more likely in the thermal level of the tires and how to keep the tires in the working window, and this is more likely a reason in the general geometry of the suspension arms, rather than just wheel toe-in camber.
Oh wow, how devious
and how kind to the offending teams!Agree with you.mwillems wrote: ↑15 Sep 2023, 10:31Yes but why ban something f that alters toe but not ride height using the steering. But who knows.LionsHeart wrote: ↑15 Sep 2023, 08:43But only Merc had the DAS system? There is a different system here that changes the level of ground clearance when you turn the steering wheel, that is, when you turn the wheels. It always seemed to me that this is the norm and is connected with the geometry of the suspension and caster placement. Camber should have less of an impact on this.mwillems wrote: ↑15 Sep 2023, 02:18You'd think so if DAS was banned.
Another thought is that the way the car interacts with the tyres, that it needs a higher load to have them behave the way the car likes and to provide either the right level of mechanical grip or to provide the right platform for the Aero. Perhaps the V profile that we need to attack the slow corner is to throw the car with more energy into a shorter corner. Are we not able to control the behaviour of the tyres under too little load? This would relate to an earlier issue where the car was poor when off braking and off throttle. If so this could be improved with more front downforce.
Regarding your comment, that's a good question. If you look at Lando’s racing trajectory in Austria, then everything is not so simple. When the tires were fresh, he could afford a classic qualifying line, but when the tires were worn out he used a more V-shaped line in Turn 3. I remember we already discussed this, but even this one specific turn can already indicate that the wear of the front tires may be even higher than the rear, or this was due to the setup of the car and the lack of sufficient practice to select the optimal settings.
True, something similar happened again at Silverstone, then in the race when the tires were worn out, Lando also experienced understeer in turn 3, while Charles and Max sometimes had too much input, on their cars the rear was more nimble, but less stable, especially Ferrari. There they went from understeer to oversteer. Bad balance.
I'll be honest, I don't fully understand it yet, but I admit that McLaren is still lacking a little bit in all areas. Still, our drivers wear out their tires faster and begin to lose race pace faster. This was not so noticeable at Silverstone, but there the aero package was very optimal in terms of overall downforce loading and wing dimensions.
Maybe our car goes fast only in a narrow range of suspension settings? Then this would explain a lot, but it’s more likely in the thermal level of the tires and how to keep the tires in the working window, and this is more likely a reason in the general geometry of the suspension arms, rather than just wheel toe-in camber.
The thermal profile is a symptom of the problem and the ability to take a normal corner profile on fresh tyres doesn't mean that performance isnt still retarded, just not so much that they have to take a V profile yet.
Don't think anything really happened. Crofty commented that the team said that Piastri just didn't look for ultimate laptime and that everything is fine and that Norris says upgrades are working well.saputra_25 wrote: ↑15 Sep 2023, 12:23what happen with Oscar?, he stays in the garage with 7 min to go
Honestly, if their low speed weakness is fixed with a floor and sidepod upgrade, then I think we all severely underestimate the effectiveness of aero in low speed corners.MrGapes wrote: ↑15 Sep 2023, 12:19https://ibb.co/bLz6ZW8
Don't think I have never seen the Mclaren on the low speed graphic, will need to verify in the telemetry.
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