we can see the white lettering of the ORACLE logo on Max's wing goes to the edge whereas on Perez's car it doesn't in the pic below
![Image](https://imgr1.auto-motor-und-sport.de/Red-Bull-Technik-GP-Italien-2023-169Gallery-5c578a1b-2033432.jpg)
It's usually assumed that Verstappen has more front flap angle which is draggier. We've seen a season long trend usually when they both have the same rear wing, that Perez is typically about 2km/h quicker on the longer straights.Juzh wrote: β06 Sep 2023, 15:45Good spot. Verstappen's wing is indeed cut deeper. Actually both steps are deeper than perez' straight cut. Second cut on verstappen's car is visibly lower. Must be the reason for that strange looking DRS support in the middle.
Didn't seem to help verstappen much in passing sainz.. Perez had pretty much same top speeds everywhere. Must be DRS effect was equal on both cars.
Could that be just a difference of rear load to help give Perez some confidence in the car? A little more rear end for Perez compared to Max. Max then also running a touch more front wing to give the front end that maximises the car.organic wrote: β06 Sep 2023, 15:39Pretty sure that Max's wing was trimmed deeper (based on how close to the edge the ORACLE logo is) but then there was more left behind the actuator..
we can see the white lettering of the ORACLE logo on Max's wing goes to the edge whereas on Perez's car it doesn't in the pic below
https://imgr1.auto-motor-und-sport.de/R ... 033432.jpg
Yeah I think in this case that's very likely it's mostly down to driver feelJust_a_fan wrote: β11 Sep 2023, 16:31Could that be just a difference of rear load to help give Perez some confidence in the car? A little more rear end for Perez compared to Max. Max then also running a touch more front wing to give the front end that maximises the car.organic wrote: β06 Sep 2023, 15:39Pretty sure that Max's wing was trimmed deeper (based on how close to the edge the ORACLE logo is) but then there was more left behind the actuator..
we can see the white lettering of the ORACLE logo on Max's wing goes to the edge whereas on Perez's car it doesn't in the pic below
https://imgr1.auto-motor-und-sport.de/R ... 033432.jpg
organic wrote: β25 Aug 2023, 07:03Expect next update in singapore then. Cheers Marko.
Considering the general trend with high df wings up and down the field I'm going to assume that these new endplate styles are the way forward, at least for low efficiency tracks. Singapore's one of those and I feel this sort of endplate trick could be easily/cheaply be copied by RB for their next upgrades. Wouldn't expect much from the Singapore upgrade apart from that
Has the boss that holds the flap pivot always been oriented sideways like that?organic wrote: β14 Sep 2023, 10:21New rear-wing endplate corner, in the style of many other high downforce RWs on the grid (AMR, Merc, Alpha Tauri, Alpine, McLaren)
The design keeps reappearing but only in the high downforce configurations at monaco, singapore etc. Clearly results in greater max downforce config
Gurney flap also fitted!
Albert Fabrega
https://i.imgur.com/hvUaxJZ.png
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F5-P6IkbIAA ... me=240x240
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organic wrote: β25 Aug 2023, 07:03Expect next update in singapore then. Cheers Marko.
Considering the general trend with high df wings up and down the field I'm going to assume that these new endplate styles are the way forward, at least for low efficiency tracks. Singapore's one of those and I feel this sort of endplate trick could be easily/cheaply be copied by RB for their next upgrades. Wouldn't expect much from the Singapore upgrade apart from that
OK bear with i investigated:AR3-GP wrote: β14 Sep 2023, 14:34Has the boss that holds the flap pivot always been oriented sideways like that?organic wrote: β14 Sep 2023, 10:21New rear-wing endplate corner, in the style of many other high downforce RWs on the grid (AMR, Merc, Alpha Tauri, Alpine, McLaren)
The design keeps reappearing but only in the high downforce configurations at monaco, singapore etc. Clearly results in greater max downforce config
Gurney flap also fitted!
Albert Fabrega
https://i.imgur.com/hvUaxJZ.png
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F5-P6IkbIAA ... me=240x240
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organic wrote: β25 Aug 2023, 07:03Expect next update in singapore then. Cheers Marko.
Considering the general trend with high df wings up and down the field I'm going to assume that these new endplate styles are the way forward, at least for low efficiency tracks. Singapore's one of those and I feel this sort of endplate trick could be easily/cheaply be copied by RB for their next upgrades. Wouldn't expect much from the Singapore upgrade apart from that