2023 Mexican Grand Prix - Autódromo Hermanos Rodríguez, Oct 27 - 29

[bluechris]

I don't get the not penalty for the yellow flag on Hamilton really. Anyone knows why he didn't got penalty?

[chrisc90]

Because the Marshall board flashed twice or something into turn 2. With no board entering turn 1.
Not sure why the Marshalls weren’t on the game with a car stopped on track.

[Oleo]

I don't get the not penalty for the yellow flag on Hamilton really. Anyone knows why he didn't got penalty?

Because FIA loves inconsistency.
The light panel went off as Ham approached, so he must have thought the track was clear and stewards agreed.
The marshall however was still waving the flag.
Precedent from Bottas and Sainz Qatar 21 means it should be a penalty.

[Sieper]

No grid drops it seems



And

Ha, that (what the FIA is saying) is exactly what I said yesterday already. I also think further ruling will be introduced. I have been thinking about that but perhaps that warrants a separate thread.

[chrisc90]

All they need to do is make sure you queue outside of the fast lane if your going to wait in the pits, if space allows. Simple

[Sieper]

It seems you have forgotten about Monza already. Ferrari has already done it, with 20 seconds out of bounds or something thereabouts and they came out penalty free.

I didn't forget about Monza... Or Suzuka or any other case in which cars were called in the stewards for max lap time violation and in ALL cases nobody was punished because you can check their onboard where they are letting 5+ cars through.

Do you suggest they hurt the performance of other drivers instead? We discount their impeding then because they have to support the lap time rule?

It must be a joke to compare clogging pit lane with letting other cars through on track...

I was merely replying to your hyperbole of Ferrari always being harshly treated in any such cases. Which has proven in 2 of the 7 last races not te be the case. Those are facts, not jokes or hyperbole. Also, the minimum laptime and these pit lane shenanigans are the same rootcause. If you read the verdict on Max potential Q1 infringement you will see that is also the point being made by FIA.

[Sieper]

All they need to do is make sure you queue outside of the fast lane if your going to wait in the pits, if space allows. Simple

Then overtakers will be in the gap that you tried to create. But I think this warrants a separate thread.

[Sieper]

Because the Marshall board flashed twice or something into turn 2. With no board entering turn 1.
Not sure why the Marshalls weren’t on the game with a car stopped on track.

That is exactly the same as what happened to Max in Qatar 21. Track went green as Gasly was moving again. but Marshall after the corner was still flagging.

Days of discussion, Haha.

[avantman]

Precedent from Bottas and Sainz Qatar 21 means it should be a penalty.

you mean Verstappen?

[chrisc90]

Because the Marshall board flashed twice or something into turn 2. With no board entering turn 1.
Not sure why the Marshalls weren’t on the game with a car stopped on track.

That is exactly the same as what happened to Max in Qatar 21. Track went green as Gasly was moving again. but Marshall after the corner was still flagging.

Days of discussion, Haha.

Sounds very similar. Be interesting to watch back to see if there was any waves yellows

[Sieper]

Because the Marshall board flashed twice or something into turn 2. With no board entering turn 1.
Not sure why the Marshalls weren’t on the game with a car stopped on track.

That is exactly the same as what happened to Max in Qatar 21. Track went green as Gasly was moving again. but Marshall after the corner was still flagging.

Days of discussion, Haha.

Sounds very similar. Be interesting to watch back to see if there was any waves yellows

There was, one of the stewards was still waving. It was the so called “rogue steward” incident. Everything in that season was brought up by the press, social media.

[Spoutnik]

[Oleo]

Precedent from Bottas and Sainz Qatar 21 means it should be a penalty.

you mean Verstappen?

No, i meant sainz and bottas.Verstappen was clearly a penalty, gasly had stopped and the flags had become double.
Sainz and Bottas were both investigated as well for single yellow flag.
Both did not see the flag, sainz got away without penalty, claiming he slowed down because he saw Gasly, onboard did not show that but telemetry apparently did, while Bottas got a penalty for not slowing. Similar situation no panels but at least one marshall with a flag

[dans79]

Because the Marshall board flashed twice or something into turn 2. With no board entering turn 1.
Not sure why the Marshalls weren’t on the game with a car stopped on track.

https://www.fia.com/sites/default/files ... 0flags.pdf

The on board video clearly shows there is no light or flag displayed to Car 44 on the
straight into Turn 1, then a green light shows as he enters Turn 2, which is followed by
2 pulses of a yellow light then moments later, the light panel is blank.  The driver was
slightly slower in the mini sector than on his previous push lap.
Our determination is that there was no breach of the regulations.

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Graphic by Federico Albano

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