2023 Las Vegas Grand Prix - Las Vegas, Nov 16 - 18

[Wouter]

Though, the sad part is that a budget cap violation like RedBull did would lead to a much bigger penalty now.

No one cares anymore that RedBull overspent and
has had (and probably will for the following couple of years) a competitive advantage.

The penalty they got was laughable and every non-biased person knows that.

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Here we go again!

[chrisc90]

This thread has gone completely off the rails.

[LM10]

This thread has gone completely off the rails.

The crash happened on a track which the race is on this weekend. I don't know how that's off the rails?

[Rikhart]

Absolutely not, there’s precedent for this being refunded, and RBR showed that a $1.5m+ violation is minor.

I will stop following the sport if this isn’t made right. I’m extremely tired of how badly fia has been treating Ferrari for the past many years. Nobody cares what I think but I do and will vote with my wallet.

Ferrari should just dump a couple hundreds for the new year if this isn’t made right.

Alpine also lost a chassis so it's not a Ferrari specific targeting.

Alpine had much less damage than Ferrari and should still be refunded. Ferrari is this sport, alpine is on their 2nd year. Let’s not fling disrespect around so easily.

If ferrari vanished from the sport, not many but italians would miss it, frankly. I wouldn't miss it that much, it's been a meh team for close to two decades, more known for incompetence and skirting the rules than anything else.

[LM10]

Alpine also lost a chassis so it's not a Ferrari specific targeting.

Alpine had much less damage than Ferrari and should still be refunded. Ferrari is this sport, alpine is on their 2nd year. Let’s not fling disrespect around so easily.

If ferrari vanished from the sport, not many but italians would miss it, frankly. I wouldn't miss it that much, it's been a meh team for close to two decades, more known for incompetence and skirting the rules than anything else.

You certainly are not "many".

[dialtone]

Alpine also lost a chassis so it's not a Ferrari specific targeting.

Alpine had much less damage than Ferrari and should still be refunded. Ferrari is this sport, alpine is on their 2nd year. Let’s not fling disrespect around so easily.

If ferrari vanished from the sport, not many but italians would miss it, frankly. I wouldn't miss it that much, it's been a meh team for close to two decades, more known for incompetence and skirting the rules than anything else.

Lmao. The other teams are Ferrari fans. What a ridiculous statement.

[AR3-GP]

Possible race strat according to F1.com



Why is M-M-S not considered here? Verstappen got something like 20+ laps out of his mediums on thursday and the track hadn't even gripped up yet.

[search]

Russell specifically saved a set of softs in Q3 even, where he did only one run instead of two. So yeah, I'd expect it to be more popular as well.

Verstappen's best set of softs is 6 laps old though, on the other hand. I guess if he planed to use it in the race, he wouldn't have done that 2nd run on used tires in the end.

[AR3-GP]

Having to deal with the hard tire warmup once, let alone twice like Strategy 1 seems questionable. You wouldn't want to be on the hard tire for a safety car restart either.

[Spoutnik]

What can you do on this track with hard tyres ? (low temp, virtually no deg..)

[search]

What can you do on this track with hard tyres ? (low temp, virtually no deg..)

I think only reason can be that they may have a wider working range, and less risk of graining. If you can get the softer tires to work, they are probably the better choice.

[TFSA]

Vestappen literally confessed to dutch TV that it was pure retaliation and nothing else.

Motivation only matters if an actual foul was committed. In that case, intention can be an argument for a harder punishment.

However, a foul wasn't committed. As long as what Max did on track was legal (which it was), then it doesn't matter if he did it trying to set a lap, out of spite or because he wanted to impress his grandmother at the Grandstands. A legal move is a legal move. They're allowed to race each other in qualifying.

Someone else said it quite well: if you don't want to get overtaken on track, drive faster. That's what Ocon should have done (or even better, not have gotten himself in that position to begin with).

[Wouter]

WOW!!
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Law firm launches legal action over F1 Las Vegas GP spectator ejections

A high-profile Nevada law firm has launched a legal action against the Formula 1 Las Vegas GP organisation
and its contractor to pursue refunds for spectators.
It is asking for payments of “in excess” of $30,000 per spectator, split equally between “general” and “special” damages.
On Friday evening the Dimopoulos law firm working in conjunction with JK Legal & Consulting filed a class action on behalf
of the 35,000 spectators it says were at the track on Thursday.

A very interesting long article on Motorsport.

[Tiny73]

Wow, 5 pages filled with back and forth commenting on a small incident during Q1, what the heck.

Was just thinking the same. Total nonsense over a non-incident. Hopefully mods pop along for a clearup.

Yes, heaven forbid Saint Max has some negative sentiment levied against him for a transgression that Ocon totally deserved. All hail Saint Max.

Like I said, mental gymnastics.

[Sieper]

I thought for sure someone would end up in the wall in the qualy, especially in corner 12 where the exit is super important. But they all managed quite well. Ofcourse there is always still the actual race.