Giblet wrote:But it looks sooooo huuuungryyyyyyyy.......
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Michael Schumacher has taken to karting now that his test with the Ferrari F60 was made impossible. Schumacher and Ferrari test driver Luca Badoer were present at the Lonato karting circuit in Italy as to get more seat time in a race chassis, although not quite a single seater like the one he'll be driving in Valencia later this month.
Giblet wrote:But it looks sooooo huuuungryyyyyyyy.......
One has to wonder if the GP2 tyres have a complimentary compound to F1 so they can help the "rubbering in" of the track over the weekend...ISLAMATRON wrote:jason.parker.86 wrote:with Gp2 tyres (which one can buy from eBay).
Finally - how anyone can suggest the GP2 tyre is the same as a F1 tyre needs their head testing. They are both round, and rubber but thats where the simularities end. They have a complete different make-up, differnt compounds etc!
The absurdity of that statement in bold is self evident...
and like others have pointed out, the F2007 on the GP2 tires was faster than the F60 test from this winter, if that does not speak of the similarity of the GP2 tire then I dont know what does.
Those of us who have been watching this sport for a while remember that when GP2 debuted they ran the grooved tires but the next year switched to a slick tire and the reason given was that GP2 was to be a test bed for technology and rules for F1 as well as a feeder series. Bridgestone often spoke about the similarities between its GP2 slicks and what it was developing for F1, and this is not the first time a GP2 tire has been fitted onto an F1 machine.
The GP2 tires are the exact same dimension as the F1 tires and I would guess they are made on the same exact machines, yes the construction(mainly side wall stiffness) and compound may vary slightly but not by too much seeing that the 2 series run on the same venues.
The 2 compounds cannot be too different, or else there would be compatability problems when they run the same track on the same weekends. And the durability must be there seeing how the GP2 feature races are more than half(60%) the length of the F1 race.
More pure ignorance.dave34m wrote:Well we all should care, there are rules set out for the season. Toro Rosso had to send a 19 year kid out on track without a single lap in a F1 car, just think about that for a moment, not a single lap before having compete against the top drivers anywhere in cars they had developed all year.
OK so they could have used an older car but that wouldnt help much really and Schumacher driving the F2007 is probably is a good compromise for Ferrari in getting trained up a bit but having a days testing in the F60 should not be allowed. Honestly we all should care, Schumacher has 3 free practice sessions before the race, the same as Alguersuari had, there really is no good reason for Ferrari to have special treatment here. If he is a god on the track as some here clearly believe then he won't need it.
I thought it actually might have helped a lot. Maybe they could set up an older car to simulate similar to 2009 levels of grip, and that could have given Jaimie quite an accurate idea of what to expect..dave34m wrote:...OK so they could have used an older car but that wouldnt help much really..
Ok, this is what Kimi actually said:WhiteBlue wrote:Kimi is probably completely umperturbated. He will say something like this: "I drive the car and we are still not fast enough. The car needs more hard work by the team. There is a second car and I don't really care who drives it."
I am a mind reader!"It makes no difference to me who drives the second Ferrari. It'll be nice to have a team-mate. We've raced closely before."
Not only that, but also the physical demend of driving a F1 car for 90 mins.....F3 races lasts probably less than a third of that, and they don't pull 4Gs in braking and cornering.....and they also have more tire than they have power....its for the rest of the grid and FIA to know that, yes, he can handle a F1 car without getting destroyed physically for a whole race...andartop wrote:I thought it actually might have helped a lot. Maybe they could set up an older car to simulate similar to 2009 levels of grip, and that could have given Jaimie quite an accurate idea of what to expect..dave34m wrote:...OK so they could have used an older car but that wouldnt help much really..
Ah the irony, it used to be Ferrari playing stupid games and opposing things that all the other teams agreed on, now it's Williams!!! Ah how times have changed!RacingManiac wrote:http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/77534
I think its understandable, as I've mentioned it makes little sense for him to test the F60 if all he needs to physical acclimatization to a F1 car's cornering force. If the F2007+GP2 tires can do the trick, he can just do that for 2 weeks.
On the flipside to this, this is just Williams getting back to FOTA.....I expect to see more of this kind of relationship between the FOTA vs non-FOTA thing in the future...
Ferrari playing stupid games and opposing, ahem excuse me could you list them with proper proof?djos wrote:Ah the irony, it used to be Ferrari playing stupid games and opposing things that all the other teams agreed on, now it's Williams!!! Ah how times have changed!RacingManiac wrote:http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/77534
I think its understandable, as I've mentioned it makes little sense for him to test the F60 if all he needs to physical acclimatization to a F1 car's cornering force. If the F2007+GP2 tires can do the trick, he can just do that for 2 weeks.
On the flipside to this, this is just Williams getting back to FOTA.....I expect to see more of this kind of relationship between the FOTA vs non-FOTA thing in the future...
good that Williams opposed thisRacingManiac wrote:http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/77534
I think its understandable, as I've mentioned it makes little sense for him to test the F60 if all he needs to physical acclimatization to a F1 car's cornering force. If the F2007+GP2 tires can do the trick, he can just do that for 2 weeks.
On the flipside to this, this is just Williams getting back to FOTA.....I expect to see more of this kind of relationship between the FOTA vs non-FOTA thing in the future...
Certainly, I haven't forgotten Ferrari's actions against Minardi in 2005:siskue2005 wrote:Ferrari playing stupid games and opposing, ahem excuse me could you list them with proper proof?djos wrote: Ah the irony, it used to be Ferrari playing stupid games and opposing things that all the other teams agreed on, now it's Williams!!! Ah how times have changed!
and there are other examples that I cant be bothered providing where all teams reached an agreement on something only to have the deal scuppered by Ferrari.The increasingly bitter dispute between Formula One's harmless plodders, Minardi, and the sport's most powerful team, Ferrari, escalated dramatically yesterday, leaving Minardi's participation in the Australian Grand Prix in doubt.
A frantic phone call in the early hours of the Australian morning to Italy ended abruptly with Jean Todt, Ferrari's general manager, refusing to yield to a request by Minardi's owner, Paul Stoddart, to run his cars according to 2004 aerodynamic specifications. Ferrari contend that they cannot agree to the Minardi request because it would not be fair.
The late intervention of Bernie Ecclestone, the Formula One commercial rights holder, guaranteed that Minardi would at least pass scrutineering today on safety grounds. But if Ferrari protest the legality of Stoddart's cars, the stewards would have no choice but to bar them entry.
Mindful that Ferrari are the only team not to acquiesce to what has become a desperate plea – one that in terms of performance gain would barely threaten the equally benign Jordan – it is difficult not to agree with Stoddart's damning assessment of Ferrari's position.
I agree, and I think Frank Williams once again is the voice of reason. His reasoning is sound and there is not really much justification for allowing Ferrari any special dispensation.RacingManiac wrote:...it makes little sense for him to test the F60 if all he needs to physical acclimatization to a F1 car's cornering force. If the F2007+GP2 tires can do the trick, he can just do that for 2 weeks.