2024 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

[Xwang]

Quick question to all the ones that dream the constructor to be possible: when was the last time that a car 1 sec a lap faster wdid not win the constructor title?

[CouncilorIrissa]

And Hamilton reportedly sacrificed qualy pace for the race.

Gotta love those headlines "don't give up yet, Hamilton may still have a shot".
It will be for "us" next year.

The good part is that the car is consistent on both softs and hards, and doesn't have much deg, the basics work.
Now we need to extract more pace, lots of it.

Take a look at the setup see if we could play more risky in some areas...
And get that wind tunnel to work.

Pace on softs requires some work. We were good on hards, within three-four tenths of RB, but on softs it was more like .6-.7.

[Vanja #66]

Leclerc again having issues with the car suggests something is very wrong with the people working on it, this is either general incompetence all of a sudden or foul play. There were PU issues and strategy incompetence in 2022, but these random issues with his car started with Bahrain 23, then completely botched setup in Barcelona 23 and then the Brasil 23 disaster... So 4th time in a year, that's not a coincidence. He's done an amazing job to adapt to it in the second part of the race and scavenge P4 and 12 more points than last year.

Very good race from Sainz, very poor start. Again! If he held P4 at the start, he would have had a cleaner 1st stint and an easy P2 with the trouble Leclerc had. He's shown very good pace in the race and we can only speculate if Leclerc would have been 10s or 15s ahead in the race without the brake issues. P2 and P3 were very much possible. Overall, despite of these missed chances, not too many points were lost. Vasseur will likely focus on this in his statement, but I can only imagine his fury at the trouble Leclerc was once again put to.

Realistically, Max had an easy race since Leclerc clearly had big issues from the very first corner, so we'll never know if there was a potential for a win in this race. Sainz' pace on Hards was very good, but clearly lacking compared to Max. How much better could Leclerc have been? Hopefully Jeddah race goes without issues and we will find out.

The car was well ahead of Mercedes and others, so it's good to have that gap opened up right at the start. Sainz has cut the gap to Max in half compared to last year, which is a clear sign how much progress has been made. The team simply has to be absolutely perfect in Saudi Arabia if they want to get anywhere near Max in the race.

[AmateurDriver]

And Hamilton reportedly sacrificed qualy pace for the race.

Gotta love those headlines "don't give up yet, Hamilton may still have a shot".
It will be for "us" next year.

The good part is that the car is consistent on both softs and hards, and doesn't have much deg, the basics work.
Now we need to extract more pace, lots of it.

Take a look at the setup see if we could play more risky in some areas...
And get that wind tunnel to work.

Hopefully other "big" teams, including Red Bull, have comparatively less room for improvement due to being at second-third- fourth iteration of same concept. Ferrari is at its first.

[LM10]

0.7-1 second off Max per lap... still work to do

Sainz finished 25 s behind Max which translates to 0.45 s deficit per lap. Of course Max could have pushed more, but as he didn’t we can’t for sure know what the gap would have been in the end, so I wonder how you came up with 0.7-1 s. Also, don’t forget that Charles, the clearly faster driver of both, had issues.

[AmateurDriver]

Leclerc again having issues with the car suggests something is very wrong with the people working on it, this is either general incompetence all of a sudden or foul play. There were PU issues and strategy incompetence in 2022, but these random issues with his car started with Bahrain 23, then completely botched setup in Barcelona 23 and then the Brasil 23 disaster... So 4th time in a year, that's not a coincidence. He's done an amazing job to adapt to it in the second part of the race and scavenge P4 and 12 more points than last year.

Very good race from Sainz, very poor start. Again! If he held P4 at the start, he would have had a cleaner 1st stint and an easy P2 with the trouble Leclerc had. He's shown very good pace in the race and we can only speculate if Leclerc would have been 10s or 15s ahead in the race without the brake issues. P2 and P3 were very much possible. Overall, despite of these missed chances, not too many points were lost. Vasseur will likely focus on this in his statement, but I can only imagine his fury at the trouble Leclerc was once again put to.

Realistically, Max had an easy race since Leclerc clearly had big issues from the very first corner, so we'll never know if there was a potential for a win in this race. Sainz' pace on Hards was very good, but clearly lacking compared to Max. How much better could Leclerc have been? Hopefully Jeddah race goes without issues and we will find out.

The car was well ahead of Mercedes and others, so it's good to have that gap opened up right at the start. Sainz has cut the gap to Max in half compared to last year, which is a clear sign how much progress has been made. The team simply has to be absolutely perfect in Saudi Arabia if they want to get anywhere near Max in the race.

As a Ferrari supporter, one ends up having some 18-19 races a years. All others have 23-24. That's really pissing off.

[Sevach]

Also, what was that about Merc being ahead in race trim coming from Allison?

He deserves the zings he's getting lol.

0.7-1 second off Max per lap... still work to do

Sainz finished 25 s behind Max which translates to 0.45 s deficit per lap. Of course Max could have pushed more, but as he didn’t we can’t for sure know what the gap would have been on the end, so I wonder how you came up with 0.7-1 s.

Carlos also had to contend with running behind a train in the first stint, and having to repass Charles and Russell.

Pace on softs requires some work. We were good on hards, within two-three tenths of RB, but on softs it was more like .6-.7.

It's hard to judge because Carlos was stuck on a train for most of the first stint.
He wasn't lying when he told the team he could go faster than that train.

[jambuka]

Leclerc again having issues with the car suggests something is very wrong with the people working on it, this is either general incompetence all of a sudden or foul play. There were PU issues and strategy incompetence in 2022, but these random issues with his car started with Bahrain 23, then completely botched setup in Barcelona 23 and then the Brasil 23 disaster... So 4th time in a year, that's not a coincidence. He's done an amazing job to adapt to it in the second part of the race and scavenge P4 and 12 more points than last year.

Very good race from Sainz, very poor start. Again! If he held P4 at the start, he would have had a cleaner 1st stint and an easy P2 with the trouble Leclerc had. He's shown very good pace in the race and we can only speculate if Leclerc would have been 10s or 15s ahead in the race without the brake issues. P2 and P3 were very much possible. Overall, despite of these missed chances, not too many points were lost. Vasseur will likely focus on this in his statement, but I can only imagine his fury at the trouble Leclerc was once again put to.

Realistically, Max had an easy race since Leclerc clearly had big issues from the very first corner, so we'll never know if there was a potential for a win in this race. Sainz' pace on Hards was very good, but clearly lacking compared to Max. How much better could Leclerc have been? Hopefully Jeddah race goes without issues and we will find out.

The car was well ahead of Mercedes and others, so it's good to have that gap opened up right at the start. Sainz has cut the gap to Max in half compared to last year, which is a clear sign how much progress has been made. The team simply has to be absolutely perfect in Saudi Arabia if they want to get anywhere near Max in the race.

They changed something around the left brake in parc ferme only on LEC's car. So maybe they already knew something was wrong.

[Vinlarr89]

It was a nice feeling watching Charles reel in Russell with a sense of inevitability. Last year it always felt the other way around in terms of the race pace deficit

[SoulPancake13]

0.7-1 second off Max per lap... still work to do

Sainz finished 25 s behind Max which translates to 0.45 s deficit per lap. Of course Max could have pushed more, but as he didn’t we can’t for sure know what the gap would have been in the end, so I wonder how you came up with 0.7-1 s. Also, don’t forget that Charles, the clearly faster driver of both, had issues.

True. I was mainly looking at the second stint where Max was otherworldly and it was typically a second off

[CaribouBread]

Second year in a row this happens to Leclerc! Can't make this up haha They see something wrong, they replace the parts and it still goes wrong in the race. At least he got Russel! Good race by Sainz. I think both of them have the ability to go faster, the car allows it. Would love to see how the deg compared to Mercs and Mclarens.

[Vanja #66]

For what it's worth, before the cars were launched and season started, I honestly expected Ferrari and Merc to scrap for P5 in the race with how McLaren did the 2nd half of 2023. Mercedes and Ferrari kept improving and landed on their feet with new cars, while McLaren didn't take the necessary step up. Ferrari actually improved massively and are at least as close to RB in the race as they were in Abu Dhabi, with every chance being they are actually a bit closer.

Really, really good job by the engineering departments!

[CaribouBread]

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Really, really good job by the engineering departments!

They really do have a design/engineering team that can compete with RB or at worst is second best.
But as we realize this, I do regret them not moving to the downwash concept sooner. We keep saying and hearing that you shouldn't change concepts without knowing how it works, but we've seen that they could've made it work.

[mizarbarym]

Can we compare the race stint of Leclerc in testing and verstapeen today?

My english is bad, sry guys.

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