Because he pushed unnecessarily much in the starting phase of the race against his own teammate to the point they touched. After his overtake he (like almost always) wasn’t able to drive off. Charles usually starts his stints carefully in order not to overstress the tyres.
My rating changed exactly because of what I saw the last two weekends.LM10 wrote: ↑23 Jun 2024, 16:41McLaren changed their whole car in one upgrade.CouncilorIrissa wrote: ↑23 Jun 2024, 16:31Accounting for tyre offset, he'd be slightly quicker than Lewis, if at all.
So yeah, third-fourth fastest car. With more extensive upgrades than Red Bull, McLaren or Mercedes.
The frustrating thing in this thread is that people (also seen in your posts perfectly) change their personal pecking order from race to race and make it look like the whole truth. Totally ignoring other factors and acting like robots - "Ferrari is slower than Mercedes in Barcelona - Ferrari is the fourth fastest car now"...
What are the factors I'm talking about? Things like this track was not going to be a strong track for Ferrari anyway or things like the possibility of the upgrades needing time to be dialed in (setup, porpoising etc.).
Just re-watched Charles onboard of the overtake, and Sainz has the right to that corner 100%. Sainz rear wheel is level with the front of Charles car after the overtake, but Charles was later on the brakes and closed up a little.LM10 wrote: ↑23 Jun 2024, 17:10Because he pushed unnecessarily much in the starting phase of the race against his own teammate to the point they touched. After his overtake he (like almost always) wasn’t able to drive off. Charles usually starts his stints carefully in order not to overstress the tyres.
And.. I was right !Sphere3758 wrote: ↑23 Jun 2024, 16:53It is probably an agreement in the team to get the tyres in gently to extend their life when your teammate is behind you.
But Carlos did Carlos things as usual and Ferrari lost a potential podium
It's not that he can't overtake him. He tried to, hit him in the process, almost causing a crash, and proceeded to take the position off track. That completely compromised Charles race, who was light years ahead on pace. That's the reason he had to extend instead of mirroring Verstappen strategy.
You're missing the point.chrisc90 wrote: ↑23 Jun 2024, 17:12Just re-watched Charles onboard of the overtake, and Sainz has the right to that corner 100%. Sainz rear wheel is level with the front of Charles car after the overtake, but Charles was later on the brakes and closed up a little.LM10 wrote: ↑23 Jun 2024, 17:10Because he pushed unnecessarily much in the starting phase of the race against his own teammate to the point they touched. After his overtake he (like almost always) wasn’t able to drive off. Charles usually starts his stints carefully in order not to overstress the tyres.
Man if even you of all people had enough of this, then we have no hope left.dia6olo wrote: ↑23 Jun 2024, 17:11Very disappointing, since the upgrades I have been holding on to hope based on the car not liking cool temperatures, then based on some of the recent tracks not being representative, then based on some of the recent tracks not being high tyre degradation tracks amongst one or two other things...
Reality is that on today's showing on a good representative track in what we would consider ideal conditions for Ferrari in both track temperature and on a track that tests a cars tyre degradation, Ferrari were nowhere!
With the two upgrades coming so quickly together, maybe they haven't figure them out yet, maybe the car under performed today because they anticipated cooler conditions and setup for that so the setup wasn't ideal...
Today's showing pretty much destroyed any hope I had left and I know I'm now clutching at straws.
Both cars were next to each other on the straight when they hit the brakes. Charles could have not applied more brakes without compromising himself or locking up. Up to this point Sainz did not have any more rights as both were on the straight. Going into the corner Charles went on the kerbs completely so it was on Sainz having to give him more space, but he closed the door on his team mate and they touched.chrisc90 wrote: ↑23 Jun 2024, 17:12Just re-watched Charles onboard of the overtake, and Sainz has the right to that corner 100%. Sainz rear wheel is level with the front of Charles car after the overtake, but Charles was later on the brakes and closed up a little.LM10 wrote: ↑23 Jun 2024, 17:10Because he pushed unnecessarily much in the starting phase of the race against his own teammate to the point they touched. After his overtake he (like almost always) wasn’t able to drive off. Charles usually starts his stints carefully in order not to overstress the tyres.