2024 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

[Xyz22]

Did Leclerc have longer lasting damage? Even with a pitstop disadvantage he should have easily cleared the Haas and Alpine cars which are simply no match. Sainz finished 50 seconds ahead of the first Haas. That's two extra pitstops worth. Leclerc only had 1 extra pitstop.

Leclerc did 2 additional stops compared to Sainz over the entire race.
He also lost a significant amount of time behind Norris and then you need to factor in traffic in general.

Why did he do 2 extra stops?

They cut the first stint with the hard tyres way too early. The strategy could work but it was --- partially by the slow stop that put Leclerc behind Lando (lapped). He didn't have an insane over speed to just overtake and blitz away (avoiding blue flags) so he pretty much lapped at Lando's pace.

I think they should have gone for mediums after lap 1, then hards and then mediums again as optimal strategy but I don't have the full picture (being lapped / traffic / etc.) . At least they got useful data for Sainz strategy though.

[yooogurt]

[Xyz22]

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Absolutely awful pace.
If they can't fix the issues ASAP the season is done.

[Seanspeed]

I don't think it's clear at all Ferrari are now 4th best.
It's clear they are struggling since their upgrades because they haven't exactly worked out, it's also clear that McLaren & Mercedes have made very good progress. It is however far from clear that Ferrari have dropped behind Mercedes.

I'd say that we're very close to Mercedes, but they have a better overall car now. Less weaknesses, and thus they will likely be more consistently competitive than Ferrari over the course of different tracks/conditions/tire choices, etc. If things are dry and warm, we seem to be able to just keep up with them in the race, but not really any better.

[ScuderiaLeo]

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Hamilton had damage from his contact with Sainz. It was pretty bad too. I don't think being faster than Hamilton is anything to celebrate here.

The race pace is very close and it's going to come down to track position and conditions, which more often than not won't go in our favor.

[AR3-GP]

Leclerc did 2 additional stops compared to Sainz over the entire race.
He also lost a significant amount of time behind Norris and then you need to factor in traffic in general.

Why did he do 2 extra stops?

They cut the first stint with the hard tyres way too early. The strategy could work but it was --- partially by the slow stop that put Leclerc behind Lando (lapped). He didn't have an insane over speed to just overtake and blitz away (avoiding blue flags) so he pretty much lapped at Lando's pace.

I think they should have gone for mediums after lap 1, then hards and then mediums again as optimal strategy but I don't have the full picture (being lapped / traffic / etc.) . At least they got useful data for Sainz strategy though.

Okay. The extra stop decision was completely unnecessary to me, unless they were experimenting for Sainz.

[ScuderiaLeo]

Positive aspects? Leclerc sees very few, and it's hard to blame him. "Carlos's podium helped the team score points for the constructors and we managed to gather a lot of data since we had two cars with quite different setups, even though I didn't feel very comfortable." As Carlos Sainz has already mentioned, Ferrari will immediately start working in Maranello to prepare for the Silverstone weekend, with the technicians also working to improve the bouncing that has once again limited the SF-24 after the updates in Spain. [...]

Leclerc spoke post-race about the latest updates introduced in Spain: "It's true that the update package brought the expected load, we can see it from the data, but there are limitations that we need to analyze and try to resolve," said the Monegasque. He, like his teammate, doesn't think it's a coincidence. "There are few coincidences in F1; since we introduced this package, we've made progress, according to the numbers, but now we need to resolve these limits because we've been struggling for two weekends."

The Monegasque was very honest, and looking ahead to Silverstone, he isn't particularly positive because Ferrari's trend doesn't leave much hope given the recent problems. "We still haven't found a solution to improve things."

https://x.com/formu1a__uno/status/1807467537136865334

[Schippke]

If it’s to be believed that this bouncing in high speed corners is the concern… Silverstone is going to be another hard pill to swallow. Until that’s resolved, we’ve cemented ourselves as 4th and even if that gets resolved, the other teams are not sitting on their hands… we’re having to dedicate time and resources to resolve that, whilst the other 3 can keep shifting forward.

Expecting to finish 5th - 8th at Silverstone might be lucky and get ahead of Perez. Unless we get the miracle fix which is unlikely.

[Vanja #66]

WCC points after 11 races:

2004 - 423 (latest points system)

2007 - 293 (latest points system)

2017 - 318

2022 - 303

2024 - 291

The way Mercedes' resurrection coincides with the slump of Ferrari hurts them a lot in WCC obviously, especially compared to 2017 season. In 2022 R10 and R11 were Silverstone and Austria where Ferrari got 75 points across both weekends, but the following 3-4 weekends were really bad. 2017 slump came between R14-R16 (Singapore, Malaysia, Japan)

Task ahead is simple - solve floor instability and bouncing issues and get back to regular podium positions. If they manage this successfully, a couple more race wins this year are possible.

[Vanja #66]

Seeing how some of his rivals can't seem to grasp overtaking Max requires thinking and adaptation, switching lines and finding the right time to pull a move, we can remind ourselves how it can be done in Austria

[SoulPancake13]

I think since we're used to Leclerc outperforming Sainz we assume he could've done better, but the truth is Leclerc just didn't have it this weekend. Doesn't mean he's a bad driver, he outperformed Sainz 14-0 before this so obviously not

14-0? What substances are you using while watching F1? Those must be pretty strong


It is 5-4 for Charles, with just 15 points difference. And that´s with one more GP for Leclerc, as Carlos didn´t participate in Arabia due to appendicitis. 1 victory and 5 podiums for each driver too.

Charles and Carlos are the teammates performing more similar, at least from top teams

From China sprint race until Spain race, every competitive session was won by Charles.

[ScuderiaLeo]

14-0? <>

That's counting both qualifying sessions and sprint sessions, in addition to races. The point is that Leclerc has been outperforming him in every aspect (both qualifying and race) for a while now. I don't think you needed to imply I'm on substances considering you could've just looked it up to confirm, but okay.

Also "They are closely matched" and "Leclerc is generally better" can be true at the same time.

Seeing how some of his rivals can't seem to grasp overtaking Max requires thinking and adaptation, switching lines and finding the right time to pull a move, we can remind ourselves how it can be done in Austria.

I came into this weekend thinking Leclerc would pull some magical qualifying out of thin air and we would get this again. I'm back to reality for Silverstone. Which, funnily enough, is another location for one of their most famous battles (2019).

Norris is an interesting case study right now compared to Leclerc. Leclerc is more patient in the heat of the moment, something Norris is lacking experience in. What would be almost as interesting to me as another Verstappen-Leclerc battle is seeing Leclerc go wheel to wheel with Norris. Though that would mean the SF-24 needs to go toe to toe with the MCL38...

[Fede90]

Does the bouncing effect is caused by stalled floor? The problem can be resolved by changing the amount of air by increasing it?

[AR3-GP]

I’m confused by the theory that the suspension is “inadequate for the aero”. This is an amateur opinion on my part but what stops them from running a stiffer spring mechanism? Isn’t stiffness part of the setup tools?

Another concern I would like to raise is that bouncing at high altitude (lower density air)
, is very very unusual. Remember that high altitude transformed the bouncing W13 into a monster. Thinner air puts a cap on downforce which takes a car that is producing too much right into the window. It should have stopped the Ferrari from bouncing. It seems like there is something further amiss.

[ScuderiaLeo]

Silverstone forecast doesn't look great for us (no surprise there). While it can always change the day before, 91% is a pretty damning prediction and would track for the UK. (And yes, the rain is predicted for daytime, not night.) Even if it doesn't rain over the track, we're just going back to our cold tire issue. I didn't expect anything less from Silverstone of all places but it's still frustrating.



Worst case scenario would be if it rains on Friday and then not on Saturday and Sunday, making the first 2 FP sessions less helpful in evaluating the new "upgrades" for the weekend. We saw how Leclerc struggled a bit to make back the Friday sessions he essentially missed in Barcelona, we don't need a repeat.

BTW, not saying this because I'm worried about our GP placement (I'm starting to become numb to races lol), just that cold, rainy weather is not the most representative baseline in seeing how the new spec performs and might hamper finding the correct setup, which naturally would be helpful for future races as well.