2024 Mclaren Formula 1 Team

[Ben1980]

No fs given by Toto.

Max will get the WDC but, with the fast Ferrari and hopefully fast Mclaren it will be a limp to a title.

[Ben1980]

It is pretty scandalous if you consider Max sent Lando off the track at the start and then he was off the track and didnt give back position to Sainz on a clear pass.

If you watch what Davidson just did, it's understandable penalty.

[Joel709]

Mclaren has to appeal because this whole thing is scandalous.

Stella has already said they aren’t appealing

[Darth-Piekus]

Ah yes forcing someone off the track by divebombing making him get penalized from track limits. Too normal yeah. I'm sorry but I lost my trust to the FIA years now.

I have no energy anymore.

[mwillems]

Ah yes forcing someone off the track by divebombing making him get penalized from track limits. Too normal yeah. I'm sorry but I lost my trust to the FIA years now.

It's turn 1 on lap 1, the invite the fight.

Better question is why alando can't manage the inside when ahead like Max did later.

[Emag]

Car was really bad here and bad in a peaky way as well which makes it hard to overtake. I was confident Lando wasn't going to get Max the moment I saw the pace advantage dwindle to ~0.5 instead of the 0.8-1s it started after Lando pit.

Lost so much on the mediums for some reason, although to be fair it was only Leclerc who had monster pace. Scratch that, Ferrari has been phenomenal here and they're definitely a threat for the WCC. If McLaren is not on race-leader's pace in Mexico, forget the whole WDC dream, which I have been saying it's unrealistic since the Silverstone disaster class. They actually need to be warry from behind.

As for the "racing" at the end, they should have told Lando immediately to give back the position. Stewards never favor the attacking side in that situation. If they were both off-track, but Lando kept position, Max would have gotten a penalty for pushing the driver off the track, instead of the other way around. Then he could have just chilled behind him and finish the race P4 and not risk going side by side with the divebomb freak that is Max when he is under pressure.

This season actually has just shown that Max hasn't matured at all since 2021, not as a driver at least. He keeps going for the same manoeuvres because the FIA allows it. Such a joke. Battles from all other drivers are clean and respectful, the only exception is Max. How is it normal that the entire grid needs to adapt when attacking or defending against one driver instead of it being the other way around?

[LionsHeart]

I didn't read the full race discussion, but if the judges were consistent, Max should have been given a 5 second penalty for overtaking on the first lap of the first corner. He went off track with four wheels and squeezed Lando, but he didn't give up his position. Later in the race, Max went off track when a Ferrari was nearby, and there Max gained an advantage and stayed ahead of the Ferrari. I think for these two points alone, a 10 second penalty should be given to Max.

The main problems with current F1 are the inconsistency of the judges' decisions and the lack of balls to ban Max's brazen antics, which he constantly gets away with. This is not racing, it's a farce.

Mentally, Lando has already beaten Max twice. Mentally, Max doesn't know how to lose. I'm sure karma will come back in full for both Max and Red Bull.

You don't have to comment on my message, I'm not going to enter into further polemics. I see whose side is right, and it's not on the side of the soda team.

[SilviuAgo]

Why? With the current trajectory he rather needs to look at Leclerc.
Thought it would be P1 to loose for Norris after the summer break. But now it is more likely to loose P2 to Lec than any chance on P1. Think this fish is done unfortunately.

Who cares about P2?

But crucially not ahead at the apex. The corner is so long you can just manage the gey wide with ease and ensure the switchback won't work, as long as you are ruthlessly efficient lap after lap.

Agree that the only way to get by was on the inside.

Personally, I thought Max drove brilliantly.

Agreed. Max drives brilliantly but in my opinion, over the limit of what should be allowed. To me that is not clean racing and it will result in incidents. Next time someone will not leave the track or will divebomb onto the inside. Do we want the sport to turn into who is more willing to take damage or risk?

It was his corner, it wasn't even close, he was half a car length ahead at the apex and owned the line.

Max is just brilliant, that's all that happened today. The better driver won.

Yes...he is the god of all drivers in F1 history. C'mon man...stop kissing verstappen ass. It makes me sick!
The penalty on Lando was a f*cking joke given by some guys that are closed in a box watching the race on the tv. They have no clue about what is happening in the real world.

[Ben1980]

Ah yes forcing someone off the track by divebombing making him get penalized from track limits. Too normal yeah. I'm sorry but I lost my trust to the FIA years now.

I have no energy anymore.

As shown, he didn't really force him off. He was ahead at the apex and held it out.

It's messy, but this isn't a clear cut Max is bad case. It nay even be 50/50.

[Darth-Piekus]

Finally someone who said it as it should be.

[mwillems]

Who cares about P2?



Agreed. Max drives brilliantly but in my opinion, over the limit of what should be allowed. To me that is not clean racing and it will result in incidents. Next time someone will not leave the track or will divebomb onto the inside. Do we want the sport to turn into who is more willing to take damage or risk?

It was his corner, it wasn't even close, he was half a car length ahead at the apex and owned the line.

Max is just brilliant, that's all that happened today. The better driver won.

Yes...he is the god of all drivers in F1 history. C'mon man...stop kissing verstappen ass. It makes me sick!
The penalty on Lando was a f*cking joke given by some guys that are closed in a box watching the race on the tv. They have no clue about what is happening in the real world.

Max did nothing wrong in the rules. Being sour will not change that. Nor will bring sick.

[Ben1980]

Car was really bad here and bad in a peaky way as well which makes it hard to overtake. I was confident Lando wasn't going to get Max the moment I saw the pace advantage dwindle to ~0.5 instead of the 0.8-1s it started after Lando pit.

Lost so much on the mediums for some reason, although to be fair it was only Leclerc who had monster pace. Scratch that, Ferrari has been phenomenal here and they're definitely a threat for the WCC. If McLaren is not on race-leader's pace in Mexico, forget the whole WDC dream, which I have been saying it's unrealistic since the Silverstone disaster class. They actually need to be warry from behind.

As for the "racing" at the end, they should have told Lando immediately to give back the position. Stewards never favor the attacking side in that situation. If they were both off-track, but Lando kept position, Max would have gotten a penalty for pushing the driver off the track, instead of the other way around. Then he could have just chilled behind him and finish the race P4 and not risk going side by side with the divebomb freak that is Max when he is under pressure.

This season actually has just shown that Max hasn't matured at all since 2021, not as a driver at least. He keeps going for the same manoeuvres because the FIA allows it. Such a joke. Battles from all other drivers are clean and respectful, the only exception is Max. How is it normal that the entire grid needs to adapt when attacking or defending against one driver instead of it being the other way around?

Even if he gave the place back, he's accepted he overtook off the track, and Max isn't getting a penalty anyway.

The right thing was gunning it. Though if he overtook off track 2 laps earlier he would have made 5 seconds.

[bauc]

Bad weekend for us, we must be working on the updates on the car otherwise we will loose the top spot in the constructors as well.

However, from this race a new question in my mind has arrived, what are we going to do with Verstapen's no overtake policy? this is a repeat of Austria just no damage on the cars, he will push you wide and off the track or you will have a crash but no overtake whatsoever, and FIA is doing nothing about it. Turn 1, he did not even tried to take the corner, braked late, but both him and Lando out of track = ''easy win'' for Leclerc. Lap 55 same ---, a repeat of Austria, and why is Lando punished and Russel is not for the same situation but against Tsunoda I beleive?

[CjC]

Well if it's any consolation, Ferrari are pretty much guaranteed to take P2 in the WCC away from Red Bull, thankfully I didn't get too invested in the WDC challenge so I'm not disappointed Lando didn't clost the gap, I'm disappointed at the FIA and how Max continues to race "wheel to wheel"

Ferrari are a very real threat to McLaren as well

[Darth-Piekus]

As shown, he didn't really force him off. He was ahead at the apex and held it out.

It's messy, but this isn't a clear cut Max is bad case. It nay even be 50/50.

As Lionheart said above Max sent Lando off the track at lap 1 and we have seen penalties from lap 1 for similar situations. Plus Max went off the track and gained an advantage in his battle against Sainz. Then Max sent Lando off the track in that penultimate lap. So 10 seconds at least. Let's not make excuses and kiss Red Bull. It was a farce.