2024 Oracle Red Bull Racing F1 Team

[Juzh]

Marko changed a lot over the past year. Before he would downplay everything. Now he pushes copium and excuses to make it seem like Red Bull are not as bad as it seems. The one problem is that this only works on people who don't watch the races. I'm laughing at the suggestion that the PU is the issue here. The Honda doesn't have the degradation that Marko speaks of. That was something Honda is very proud of. If you add this phantom 5kph, Verstappen would have reached 353 km/h top speed in qualy. That's 3 km/h clear of any other car. Not realistic.

Have you got a quote of him? I'd like to know what he said. Thanks

[basti313]

Yes, we need to come back to clean racing. Everyone behind each other, maybe a clean DRS pass. Not this fighting all the time...every race someone "outbraking" someone...disgusting.

We can have clean and hard racing at the same time.

That is like believing in a Star Trek future.

Simply barging people off-track is not good racing, and is in fact depriving us of better, more exciting action. When drivers are allowed to go side by side through a corner, they can often carry that battle into the next series of corners, which makes for some of the best racing action possible.

...There should never be a reason in one on one battling for any car to be able to push another off-track, period.

This is not the reality in F1 for many years now. The last real wheel to wheel battle may have been Vettel vs. Webber with Multi21...
Since 2014 especially the Merc officials strongly worked on the point that crowding your opponent on the exit is 100% acceptable as this was the signature move of Hamilton. Since then it is 100% ok to push on the outside in F1, the other driver needs to yield.

Verstappen, while hardly the only driver guilty of abusing this, has certainly been the best at highlighting why we need this change.

No. There is constant change since 2014 and every year you could see why any crowding at the outside is not good, but they still try to write rules about it. I think the divebombing thing mainly started with Dan...Max was the king on moving.

It's not exciting, it's messy and ugly.

Yes, but it is what it is. Wheel to wheel is an unrealistic thought, if you look at DTM, which had the best wheel to wheel in the last years, it barely goes without touching.

[Vanja #66]

If you add this phantom 5kph, Verstappen would have reached 353 km/h top speed in qualy. That's 3 km/h clear of any other car. Not realistic.

Max has been using significantly smaller RW than Perez whole weekend and almost never had a significant Top Speed advantage. That's literally impossible with identical PU. 5kmh at 348kmh is not super huge and it would explain why Max wasn't quicker than Ferrari when he really should have been. Marko isn't kidding himself and the team with such statements, he's not Toto

[organic]

If you add this phantom 5kph, Verstappen would have reached 353 km/h top speed in qualy. That's 3 km/h clear of any other car. Not realistic.

Max has been using significantly smaller RW than Perez whole weekend and almost never had a significant Top Speed advantage. That's literally impossible with identical PU. 5kmh at 348kmh is not super huge and it would explain why Max wasn't quicker than Ferrari when he really should have been. Marko isn't kidding himself and the team with such statements, he's not Toto

Max was running the Monaco spec BW while Perez had the lower df beamwing iirc

[TNTHead]

Whatever happens, he is the GOAT

https://x.com/verstappenews/status/1850 ... LbRkQ&s=19

[basti313]

At some point someone here tried to make an engine overview. Is this maybe still present?
Counting through the races, I would expect, that they had in Spa one engine with 1-2 races and a new one for Spa plus the two FP engines, which are now also quite bad.
So in case they really had two races on the engine in Hungary, they would need one of the engines for 7 races, plus Sprints...
McLaren introduced new engines in Monza, so two races later.

What is hard to count is the engine they saved one race on with the brake fire. But still, there is not much room...

[Vanja #66]

Max was running the Monaco spec BW while Perez had the lower df beamwing iirc

Full size BW for both of them

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/vers ... /10667855/

PU swap all but confirmed in Brasil

Speed trap figures across the start/finish straight, before DRS is activated, showed Verstappen topped out at 251.4km/h – which was well adrift of team-mate Sergio Perez on 253.4km/h.

Verstappen was second slowest of all at the first intermediate trap, logging 299.6km/h compared to Perez on 303.1 and title rival Lando Norris on 307.9km/h.

[pantherxxx]

Apparently two stewards for the Mexican Grand Prix were Johnny Herbert and Tim Mayer (son of McLaren co-founder Teddy Mayer).

Do you remember that in 2021 they wanted to remove one of the stewards because he had a Honda dealership? Now British and Mclaren-linked stewards are punishing Max.

Red Bull should protest because of conflict of interests.

[chrisc90]

Pointless now, the damage is done. Can’t do anything- other than possibly refund the super license points.

As others have said, lando not getting the win is better for Max.

Still a big hill to climb - 48points in 4 races.

Can effectively have 4 GPs like we just have had.

[Watto]

Max was running the Monaco spec BW while Perez had the lower df beamwing iirc

Full size BW for both of them

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/vers ... /10667855/

PU swap all but confirmed in Brasil

Speed trap figures across the start/finish straight, before DRS is activated, showed Verstappen topped out at 251.4km/h – which was well adrift of team-mate Sergio Perez on 253.4km/h.

Verstappen was second slowest of all at the first intermediate trap, logging 299.6km/h compared to Perez on 303.1 and title rival Lando Norris on 307.9km/h.

Seems a final decision is being made on Thursday but that would seem likely it will be made.

But with that it is looking almost certain it will happen

[Sergej]

Pointless now, the damage is done. Can’t do anything- other than possibly refund the super license points.

As others have said, lando not getting the win is better for Max.

Still a big hill to climb - 48points in 4 races.

Can effectively have 4 GPs like we just have had.

problem is that you have also 2 sprints, so more points for Lando to gain

[Ferry]

Apparently two stewards for the Mexican Grand Prix were Johnny Herbert and Tim Mayer (son of McLaren co-founder Teddy Mayer).

Do you remember that in 2021 they wanted to remove one of the stewards because he had a Honda dealership? Now British and Mclaren-linked stewards are punishing Max.

Isn't Derek Warwick also British? As Horner, Newey, Weathly and a bunch of other people in Red Bull. Or at least was in Red Bull.

[PapayaFan481]

Apparently two stewards for the Mexican Grand Prix were Johnny Herbert and Tim Mayer (son of McLaren co-founder Teddy Mayer).

Do you remember that in 2021 they wanted to remove one of the stewards because he had a Honda dealership? Now British and Mclaren-linked stewards are punishing Max.

Red Bull should protest because of conflict of interests.

Herbert who drove for Red Bull Sauber before moving to Stewart Grand Prix? Stewart Grand Prix that became Jaguar that became Red Bull Racing?? Yes, that could be seen as a conflict??

[PapayaFan481]

Apparently two stewards for the Mexican Grand Prix were Johnny Herbert and Tim Mayer (son of McLaren co-founder Teddy Mayer).

Do you remember that in 2021 they wanted to remove one of the stewards because he had a Honda dealership? Now British and Mclaren-linked stewards are punishing Max.

Isn't Derek Warwick also British? As Horner, Newey, Weathly and a bunch of other people in Red Bull. Or at least was in Red Bull.

Yes he is. As are the majority of team personnel at Red Bull Racing based in Milton Keynes...

[PapayaFan481]

Red bull will decide Thursday is they bring a new engine

And when will they decide if they bring a new 2md driver? Lol