2024 Oracle Red Bull Racing F1 Team

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AR3-GP wrote:
28 Oct 2024, 02:50
If you add this phantom 5kph, Verstappen would have reached 353 km/h top speed in qualy. That's 3 km/h clear of any other car. Not realistic.
Max has been using significantly smaller RW than Perez whole weekend and almost never had a significant Top Speed advantage. That's literally impossible with identical PU. 5kmh at 348kmh is not super huge and it would explain why Max wasn't quicker than Ferrari when he really should have been. Marko isn't kidding himself and the team with such statements, he's not Toto
And they call it a stall. A STALL!

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Vanja #66 wrote:
28 Oct 2024, 14:06
AR3-GP wrote:
28 Oct 2024, 02:50
If you add this phantom 5kph, Verstappen would have reached 353 km/h top speed in qualy. That's 3 km/h clear of any other car. Not realistic.
Max has been using significantly smaller RW than Perez whole weekend and almost never had a significant Top Speed advantage. That's literally impossible with identical PU. 5kmh at 348kmh is not super huge and it would explain why Max wasn't quicker than Ferrari when he really should have been. Marko isn't kidding himself and the team with such statements, he's not Toto
Max was running the Monaco spec BW while Perez had the lower df beamwing iirc

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At some point someone here tried to make an engine overview. Is this maybe still present?
Counting through the races, I would expect, that they had in Spa one engine with 1-2 races and a new one for Spa plus the two FP engines, which are now also quite bad.
So in case they really had two races on the engine in Hungary, they would need one of the engines for 7 races, plus Sprints...
McLaren introduced new engines in Monza, so two races later.

What is hard to count is the engine they saved one race on with the brake fire. But still, there is not much room...
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organic wrote:
28 Oct 2024, 14:24
Max was running the Monaco spec BW while Perez had the lower df beamwing iirc
Full size BW for both of them

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/vers ... /10667855/

PU swap all but confirmed in Brasil

Speed trap figures across the start/finish straight, before DRS is activated, showed Verstappen topped out at 251.4km/h – which was well adrift of team-mate Sergio Perez on 253.4km/h.

Verstappen was second slowest of all at the first intermediate trap, logging 299.6km/h compared to Perez on 303.1 and title rival Lando Norris on 307.9km/h.
And they call it a stall. A STALL!

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Apparently two stewards for the Mexican Grand Prix were Johnny Herbert and Tim Mayer (son of McLaren co-founder Teddy Mayer).

Do you remember that in 2021 they wanted to remove one of the stewards because he had a Honda dealership? Now British and Mclaren-linked stewards are punishing Max.

Red Bull should protest because of conflict of interests.

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Pointless now, the damage is done. Can’t do anything- other than possibly refund the super license points.

As others have said, lando not getting the win is better for Max.

Still a big hill to climb - 48points in 4 races.

Can effectively have 4 GPs like we just have had.
Mess with the Bull - you get the horns.

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Vanja #66 wrote:
28 Oct 2024, 14:37
organic wrote:
28 Oct 2024, 14:24
Max was running the Monaco spec BW while Perez had the lower df beamwing iirc
Full size BW for both of them

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/vers ... /10667855/

PU swap all but confirmed in Brasil

Speed trap figures across the start/finish straight, before DRS is activated, showed Verstappen topped out at 251.4km/h – which was well adrift of team-mate Sergio Perez on 253.4km/h.

Verstappen was second slowest of all at the first intermediate trap, logging 299.6km/h compared to Perez on 303.1 and title rival Lando Norris on 307.9km/h.
Seems a final decision is being made on Thursday but that would seem likely it will be made.

But with that it is looking almost certain it will happen

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chrisc90 wrote:
28 Oct 2024, 14:57
Pointless now, the damage is done. Can’t do anything- other than possibly refund the super license points.

As others have said, lando not getting the win is better for Max.

Still a big hill to climb - 48points in 4 races.

Can effectively have 4 GPs like we just have had.
problem is that you have also 2 sprints, so more points for Lando to gain

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pantherxxx wrote:
28 Oct 2024, 14:52
Apparently two stewards for the Mexican Grand Prix were Johnny Herbert and Tim Mayer (son of McLaren co-founder Teddy Mayer).

Do you remember that in 2021 they wanted to remove one of the stewards because he had a Honda dealership? Now British and Mclaren-linked stewards are punishing Max.
Isn't Derek Warwick also British? As Horner, Newey, Weathly and a bunch of other people in Red Bull. Or at least was in Red Bull.

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pantherxxx wrote:
28 Oct 2024, 14:52
Apparently two stewards for the Mexican Grand Prix were Johnny Herbert and Tim Mayer (son of McLaren co-founder Teddy Mayer).

Do you remember that in 2021 they wanted to remove one of the stewards because he had a Honda dealership? Now British and Mclaren-linked stewards are punishing Max.

Red Bull should protest because of conflict of interests.
Herbert who drove for Red Bull Sauber before moving to Stewart Grand Prix? Stewart Grand Prix that became Jaguar that became Red Bull Racing?? Yes, that could be seen as a conflict??
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Ferry wrote:
28 Oct 2024, 16:01
pantherxxx wrote:
28 Oct 2024, 14:52
Apparently two stewards for the Mexican Grand Prix were Johnny Herbert and Tim Mayer (son of McLaren co-founder Teddy Mayer).

Do you remember that in 2021 they wanted to remove one of the stewards because he had a Honda dealership? Now British and Mclaren-linked stewards are punishing Max.
Isn't Derek Warwick also British? As Horner, Newey, Weathly and a bunch of other people in Red Bull. Or at least was in Red Bull.
Yes he is. As are the majority of team personnel at Red Bull Racing based in Milton Keynes...
If I come across as blunt, I apologise, it's my ASD. Sometimes, like an F1 car aqua-planing, it gets out of my control.

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Watto wrote:
28 Oct 2024, 13:28
Red bull will decide Thursday is they bring a new engine
And when will they decide if they bring a new 2md driver? Lol
If I come across as blunt, I apologise, it's my ASD. Sometimes, like an F1 car aqua-planing, it gets out of my control.

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why wait till Thursday to decide if taking a new engine ? do they want to see weather forecast ?

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PapayaFan481 wrote:
28 Oct 2024, 16:23
Watto wrote:
28 Oct 2024, 13:28
Red bull will decide Thursday is they bring a new engine
And when will they decide if they bring a new 2md driver? Lol
Feels like with Horner comments Perez isn't there next year its just if they make the move before the end of the season or next year.