2024 Oracle Red Bull Racing F1 Team

[gshevlin]

The reason why they have not dismissed Perez is that they have no replacement that they can insert without leaving VCARB RB without a driver.
None of their junior drivers are ready for a move up to F1, and Daniel Ricciardo went back to Perth after his last race for VCARB and I suspect he is currently professionally unavailable, after Red Bull (as they always seem to do) completely mishandled his replacement at VCARB by Liam Lawson.
I suspect that they would like to try Franco Colapinto, but he is committed to Williams, and Williams are going to want a large bag of $$$ just to make him available for next season.
Borrowing a reserve driver from another team risks IP information transfer issues.

[FittingMechanics]

I studied the telemetry as well yesterday, and noticed Norris started to brake abnormally early into T7, compared with Sainz, Max and most importantly Norris himself on the following laps, whereas Max indeed braked at or near the same point he braked on the following laps. Which of course was later than needed given the inside dirtier line, but it wasn't like so horrible, like the media made it look like. like he wasn't braking at all, and divebombed from way back only thinking on crashing Lando out of the race. (which is particularly brain-dead take)

I was thinking about that trying to figure out what was the reason. I think I wasn't the only one who thought initially that Lando was letting him by (to give the position back), the moment we saw Max diving on the inside of T7 with such ridiculous speed. It looked like that on TV anyways.
I came to conclusions, it was a trap set by Lando. He threw Max the bait when he started to brake so early and Max took it, instinctively going for it, like he always does. There is no time to think in those moments, everything happens in milliseconds. But of course Lando braked only as hard to ensure he would place his car on the outside more or less side by side with Max, so Lando could drive off the track again and whine for another penalty. I just can't explain the other way why would he start braking so early. This kid isn't as simple as we probably thought before.

Explanation is simpler. Norris returned to track with dirty/damp tyres as he went over the grass.

[langedweil]

That is what is wrong with the Internet and society these days. There are people who think their opinion carries the same weight as facts and evidence do.

Nah, imho what's wrong is that opinions are stated as facts and evidence to prove perceptions, making the real trouble the killing of any debate from whatever high horse is ridden.

Anyway, it was most certainly biased stewarding, and felt like a fix for last week.

T4 Mex was T12 US except Ver kept it on track; there was an offtrack pass that should have been punished but wasn't.

T8 felt maybe wild because of speed and the fact that tracklimits were not held by both; the pass was made ontrack, there was no passing offtrack.
Because of speed one could argue about a 5s for crowding offtrack, but that's it. Then again overspeed seemed way worse because of Lando's early braking.
Onesided stewarding born out of overcompensation .. 1x 5s or (for the heck of it) 10s would have made more sense, 20s plus points is mindblowing

[FittingMechanics]

That is what is wrong with the Internet and society these days. There are people who think their opinion carries the same weight as facts and evidence do.

Nah, imho what's wrong is that opinions are stated as facts and evidence to prove perceptions, making the real trouble the killing of any debate from whatever high horse is ridden.

Anyway, it was most certainly biased stewarding, and felt like a fix for last week.

T4 Mex was T12 US except Ver kept it on track; there was an offtrack pass that should have been punished but wasn't.

T8 felt maybe wild because of speed and the fact that tracklimits were not held by both; the pass was made ontrack, there was no passing offtrack.
Because of speed one could argue about a 5s for crowding offtrack, but that's it. Then again overspeed seemed way worse because of Lando's early braking.
Onesided stewarding born out of overcompensation .. 1x 5s or (for the heck of it) 10s would have made more sense, 20s plus points is mindblowing

T4 Mex was not the same because Norris was ahead. This was crucial reason they punished Norris for T12 US (he was behind there). I do wish it was the same and that you have to leave the space to the other driver and not overtake off the track. This will become messy.

[Paa]

Venky - I think you math might need some re-thought.
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So yeah, titles Max's to defend really, He just needs to keep scoring 10points minimum per race

I mostly agree with your math/calc. I even wrote something very similar to autosport forum.
However, I'm not sure I totally agree with your conclusion.
It is only true if you assume that Lando won't win multiple races until end of season.

However, you can just as well say, that the title is Lando's to grab really, all he has to do is to win at least 3 remaining races / score 100+ points (from the total 120).

He has the car to do that and in that case the pressure will be on Max to get some podiums.

edit: on a different topic. Can't we move all this Max vs Lando conversation out of this thread? It is really not the place to discuss that in such lenght/detail.