2024 Oracle Red Bull Racing F1 Team

[chrisc90]

It a very manageable task for Max isn’t it really.
Considering he’s still able to qualify well, no doubt due to the fresh tyres mitigating some of the deficiencies with his car, there’s every chance he might win a sprint or 2, there again because the sprints are short stints the ‘bad’ race pace doesn’t bite him as much.

Yeah, should be pretty doable. Just needs to keep his nose clean and finish the race in a decent position.

Sadly - Max’s nature is to win and do the best he can. So sometimes that can be a downside to being competitive

[Paa]

It a very manageable task for Max isn’t it really.
Considering he’s still able to qualify well, no doubt due to the fresh tyres mitigating some of the deficiencies with his car, there’s every chance he might win a sprint or 2, there again because the sprints are short stints the ‘bad’ race pace doesn’t bite him as much.

Yeah, should be pretty doable. Just needs to keep his nose clean and finish the race in a decent position.

Sadly - Max’s nature is to win and do the best he can. So sometimes that can be a downside to being competitive

I think you are both not acknowledging, that Max has the 3rd best car even if discounting Merc. He needs to fight with Merc just to get P5 and need special circumstances to finish above. Yes, there are usually options which is often used by Max. But he has to rely on those to arise (Weak qualy from Piastri, strategic blunders, borderline or out of line defence moves etc). It is not in his hand to score above 10 points/race, he needs those opportunities to arise.

However Norris has a car capable of winning both qualy and race so it is perfectly in his hand to collect 100+ points.
Everybody who mentions this is an easy ride for Max, just automatically assumes that Lando will keep messing up.


Also my math is a bit more conservative as I don't want a stressful last race worrying about random DNF or such. So preferably I would want Max to have 26+ points advantage going into Abu Dhabi.
Which means he can only lose ~20 points during the following 3 races+2 sprints. Which seems almost impossible, at least not without some serious luck.
But I also think that if Max could somehow win any of the remaining races, then he would be relatively safe.

[6 of 12]

Is that because he is emotionally beat or just enjoying time off, getting drunk?

I get what you're saying about the mismanagement and that they have no alternatives without a downside. So, is this basically a 6-race shoot-out between TSU and LAW for Perez's seat? SURELY they won't keep him for next year, too?

- Now brought themselves into a lock out situation on the driver market. Too late to get a good driver.

Well... they could probably still poach the perfect wingman for Max out of Audi's hands while they put K-Mag or Bortoleto in, I guess. Bottas is not max-fast, but they don't need him to be. Or they could loan him from Audi for a year and make up their mind about LAW or TSU (or someone else) for Red Bull in 2026. Also, It's not like the IP from 2025 will be super insightful for 2026 anyway.

[basti313]

Is that because he is emotionally beat or just enjoying time off, getting drunk?

I get what you're saying about the mismanagement and that they have no alternatives without a downside. So, is this basically a 6-race shoot-out between TSU and LAW for Perez's seat? SURELY they won't keep him for next year, too?

- Now brought themselves into a lock out situation on the driver market. Too late to get a good driver.

Well... they could probably still poach the perfect wingman for Max out of Audi's hands while they put K-Mag or Bortoleto in, I guess. Bottas is not max-fast, but they don't need him to be. Or they could loan him from Audi for a year and make up their mind about LAW or TSU (or someone else) for Red Bull in 2026. Also, It's not like the IP from 2025 will be super insightful for 2026 anyway.

First I thought you mean Hulk...Hulk will not come, but I guess one big error not to hire him before. Hulk would be perfect. Fast in Q, not fast enough in the race to give issues with Max. Still fast enough for a 1-2 if the car is good. Ans loyal...which makes him not to come.

I do not think Bot makes any sense. Seeing how he did against Lewis at the end...not better than Per. And he was not even a useful wingman ever, he was just slower. Perez was a wingman in the end of 21, but this has changed. Why should anyone buy these two out of a contract?
Hiring Magnussen makes more sense...

[6 of 12]

- Now brought themselves into a lock out situation on the driver market. Too late to get a good driver.

Well... they could probably still poach the perfect wingman for Max out of Audi's hands while they put K-Mag or Bortoleto in, I guess. Bottas is not max-fast, but they don't need him to be. Or they could loan him from Audi for a year and make up their mind about LAW or TSU (or someone else) for Red Bull in 2026. Also, It's not like the IP from 2025 will be super insightful for 2026 anyway.

First I thought you mean Hulk...Hulk will not come, but I guess one big error not to hire him before. Hulk would be perfect. Fast in Q, not fast enough in the race to give issues with Max. Still fast enough for a 1-2 if the car is good. Ans loyal...which makes him not to come.

I do not think Bot makes any sense. Seeing how he did against Lewis at the end...not better than Per. And he was not even a useful wingman ever, he was just slower. Perez was a wingman in the end of 21, but this has changed. Why should anyone buy these two out of a contract?
Hiring Magnussen makes more sense...

Fair enough, I'd be fine with Magnussen staying for another year :p

[Dunlay]

- Now brought themselves into a lock out situation on the driver market. Too late to get a good driver.

Well... they could probably still poach the perfect wingman for Max out of Audi's hands while they put K-Mag or Bortoleto in, I guess. Bottas is not max-fast, but they don't need him to be. Or they could loan him from Audi for a year and make up their mind about LAW or TSU (or someone else) for Red Bull in 2026. Also, It's not like the IP from 2025 will be super insightful for 2026 anyway.

First I thought you mean Hulk...Hulk will not come, but I guess one big error not to hire him before. Hulk would be perfect. Fast in Q, not fast enough in the race to give issues with Max. Still fast enough for a 1-2 if the car is good. Ans loyal...which makes him not to come.

I do not think Bot makes any sense. Seeing how he did against Lewis at the end...not better than Per. And he was not even a useful wingman ever, he was just slower. Perez was a wingman in the end of 21, but this has changed. Why should anyone buy these two out of a contract?
Hiring Magnussen makes more sense...

Red Bull should really work hard to have 2 No.1s. Because every No.2 has been a failure when other teams have been competitive. No point in regretting not having drivers who constantly fight to be at the front. It's a worthy headache to have.

[dialtone]

https://www.racefans.net/2024/10/30/hig ... on-horner/

Basically Horner saying that Perez is staying till at least the end of the season.

[Vanja #66]

https://www.racefans.net/2024/10/30/hig ... on-horner/

Basically Horner saying that Perez is staying till at least the end of the season.

Perez might get the boot after Brasil if he fails to score again, that's how I read it

[Sergej]

Have a feeling we will have a very stressful weekend in Brazil...