PapayaFan481 wrote: ↑06 Nov 2024, 14:14
You say the measuring process didn't change and then point out that it changed. Says it all about your bias.
I ask again, which races were McLaren disqualified from for their illegal rear wings??
You say the wings were illegal. They were not illegal, otherwise they would have been disqualified. That is the fact. And no, facts cannot be disagreed with, that is not how facts work. Facts are facts. Opinions are not facts. Facts are not opinions. Facts are the indisputable record of what happened.
I'm not sure what your definition of a lie is, but in my dictionary, saying something happened that did not is a lie and the person saying it is a liar.
So do you still maintain that McLaren ran illegal rear wings, when the fact is that their wings were not illegal since they complied with all the required tests to confirm that they were legal. The test changed and McLaren complied with the new tests. That does not retrospectively make a wing that complied with the contemporaneous tests illegal. That would be like introducing a new lower speed limit and then going back to give tickets to the people who drove at the old, higher speed limit the previous week.
There is a difference between a car declared OK to race and a fully legal car according to the wording of rules and TDs. Just like a car declared legal before the start can become illegal during the race with too much plank wear (just one example) because it ran too low too long, tests carried out to check if the car is legal or not may or may not be able to identify the source of illegality of certain parts and systems on the car.
Bodywork load tests carried out by vertical loads cannot replicate the aerodynamic force acting on a wing and generating vertical and horizontal load and a twisting torque at the same time. This is why rear-view cameras and datum dots were introduced on rear and beam wings - to have a visual reference on the wing at any and all times. This is in charge of FIA and FIA alone is responsible in enforcing its own technical regulations.
Unlike front wings of McLaren and Mercedes (which I never described as illegal because they never were), McLaren's rear wings required design and manufacturing changes after more than 3 teams and general public pointed out to them after Baku race. This is what makes them inarguably illegal - why would they be forced to change it if it was legal in the first place. There are no additional test introduced and neither were existing test made more stringent to change wing legality between Baku and Singapore.
It's not a loophole like the famous Double Deck Diffuser (where teams who missed had to catch up later), it's simply an illegal part that was mistakenly declared legal by FIA. Why FIA ignored RBR's complaints 2 times and only reacted once Ferrari and Mercedes also raised their voice is between FIA and teams. If FIA said "McLaren wings are legal, no changes required" it would have been a completely different situation and then other teams would be able to replicate such effects and neutralise McLaren's advantage.
FIA never gave a DSQ to a car that passed all relevant legality tests before and after an official session, especially concerning flexible bodywork. If they gave a car a pass in one event, it's unfair to subsequently DSQ that car because FIA didn't do its job as t should have. It's a completely different case from having an illegal component or a system that a team hides, omits or otherwise makes unavailable for FIA to check that only becomes apparent or available to FIA to check later.
chrisc90 wrote: ↑06 Nov 2024, 14:54
It’s strange the FIA didn’t need to bring in any additional load tests to cover it. We got a couple of extra dots I believe.
Just like it was in 2021 with RBR and Merc flexing wings. Was Noted and then later stopped.
FIA just don’t have the balls to disqualify people after the event has happened.
Like I said above, if FIA scrutineers give it a pass with all information available to them, FIA won't give a DSQ just because it didn't do its job for whatever reason. What the reason is, we can only speculate. Although, in this case its quite clear...