2024 Qatar Grand Prix - Lusail, Nov 29 - Dec 01

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What a BS penalty for Norris. Incredible. F1 is becoming WWE.

Quite normal for speeding under double waved yellows in race conditions as far as I can tell

Some penalty, yes. Not 10 seconds stop and go, that’s just ridiculous

But it's the normal penalty for that offense, so it's not ridiculous. I don't think anyone at McLaren or Norris himself has complained at all

It's not unclear from the telemetry



Personally I think the only argument can be that there was some confusion with a green flashing board immediately after the marshals waving double yellows, potentially serving as some mitigation but in the case of double yellows usually the stewards apply maximum penalty even when there are confusing circumstances (see Verstappen quali 2021 at Qatar, for instance)

[bananapeel23]

What a BS penalty for Norris. Incredible. F1 is becoming WWE.

Quite normal for speeding under double waved yellows in race conditions as far as I can tell

Some penalty, yes. Not 10 seconds stop and go, that’s just ridiculous

Apparently most of the 10 second stop-go penalties in the last 10 or so years have been for speeding under yellow. Latifi got one in 2021 for example and Kimi got one in 2017 for it. The others have been for Alonso driving without a mirror (COTA 2022), Hamilton entering a closed pitlane (Monza 2020) and Vettel intentionally banging wheels with Hamilton under safety car (Baku 2017).

The 10 second stop/go for speeding under yellow is definitely in the rule book and there is precedent. Whether or not it was warranted in this case is up for debate, but it wasn't like the stewards pulled a Michael Masi and invented a new rule on the spot. What must be said however is that penalties for speeding under yellow usually come with mitigating circumstances. In this case there were none, and not even Norris or Stella are denying that.

[Vanja #66]

There was never a doubt huh? good one

No there wasn't, the track is a high-speed Hungaroring - including high-speed first and final corner. Literally an ideal track to prevent any overtakes in F1. Max won the race yesterday and at the start today

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@bananapeel
Can’t argue with that. Still, it doesn’t feel right.

[venkyhere]

Would have loved to see a dogfight b/w VER and NOR today. They were leaving the rest of the grid far behind, 0.5s faster than Russel and the Ferraris and 1s faster than everyone else. Both of them had literally 'no tyre deg'.

They were both waiting for the other guy to pit, inorder to pull the trigger on the M tyre's final trip, squeeze the life out of it for a fastest lap, before getting onto H and chase/defend (overcut or undercut).

In fact, if there was no SC at all, they would've both continued the waiting game until lap48-50 on their Ms and then fitted S for a final flourish.

Both scenarios would've given us a spectacular fight, with one overtake zone on the entire track, resetting their battery deployment engine maps, brake biases etc. There is nothing more exciting than a dogfight between two similarly paced cars (although I do think the Mclaren was actually the faster one on the H, not just in the warm up phase of tyre temp)

[dialtone]

Zhou the man of the hour, great race today

There was never a doubt huh? good one

Despite driving the 75th best car on the grid today, against all odds, Max wins a race in which he lead from the first corner onwards. Nobody could have guessed it given how it started.

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GR is a slimy character. Now he’s top dog at Merc, and thinks he’s at the top table, his ego has exploded. He will, if he hasn’t already, will become unbearable. Glad Max spanked him today, and, as usual, went backwards on a Sunday.

How is Russell slimy but Max smart when they both go up to the edge of the book?

I don’t like the penalty either but call a spade a spade, RUS used the rulebook to his advantage.

[carisi2k]

So did Sergio lose drive as Crofty said or did he just get turned by the car behind?

[venkyhere]

GR is a slimy character. Now he’s top dog at Merc, and thinks he’s at the top table, his ego has exploded. He will, if he hasn’t already, will become unbearable. Glad Max spanked him today, and, as usual, went backwards on a Sunday.

How is Russell slimy but Max smart when they both go up to the edge of the book?

I don’t like the penalty either but call a spade a spade, RUS used the rulebook to his advantage.

What rulebook ? it was not a push-lap, it was a warm-up lap, RUS would've lost nothing by 'braking' 3-4 corners before planting the pedal just before the final corner. The steward screwed it up. Entire world agrees, but being the only one who doesn't, makes you correct. Right ?

Honestly, it's not even dissonance, it's just 'sad' to see you arguing so hard, purely out of spite for the driver you don't like, even if you know deep down, that what you are typing is just 'venting' and not a 'logical argument'.

[Cs98]

Zhou the man of the hour, great race today

There was never a doubt huh? good one

Despite driving the 75th best car on the grid today, against all odds, Max wins a race in which he lead from the first corner onwards. Nobody could have guessed it given how it started.

It was never a doubt you would respond like that, we've just never seen it before.

[dialtone]

GR is a slimy character. Now he’s top dog at Merc, and thinks he’s at the top table, his ego has exploded. He will, if he hasn’t already, will become unbearable. Glad Max spanked him today, and, as usual, went backwards on a Sunday.

How is Russell slimy but Max smart when they both go up to the edge of the book?

I don’t like the penalty either but call a spade a spade, RUS used the rulebook to his advantage.

What rulebook ? it was not a push-lap, it was a warm-up lap, RUS would've lost nothing by 'braking' 3-4 corners before planting the pedal just before the final corner. The steward screwed it up. Entire world agrees, but being the only one who doesn't, makes you correct. Right ?

Honestly, it's not even dissonance, it's just 'sad' to see you arguing so hard, purely out of spite for the driver you don't like, even if you know deep down, that what you are typing is just 'venting' and not a 'logical argument'.

This is a ridiculous claim again. I have nothing against Max. I wish he drove for Ferrari with LEC.

Fact is, RUS caused some drama and stewards punished Max. That’s gamesmanship. You can be upset but this is how everyone else feels when Max gets away with his divebombs and passes.

[DDopey]

How is Russell slimy but Max smart when they both go up to the edge of the book?

I don’t like the penalty either but call a spade a spade, RUS used the rulebook to his advantage.

What rulebook ? it was not a push-lap, it was a warm-up lap, RUS would've lost nothing by 'braking' 3-4 corners before planting the pedal just before the final corner. The steward screwed it up. Entire world agrees, but being the only one who doesn't, makes you correct. Right ?

Honestly, it's not even dissonance, it's just 'sad' to see you arguing so hard, purely out of spite for the driver you don't like, even if you know deep down, that what you are typing is just 'venting' and not a 'logical argument'.

This is a ridiculous claim again. I have nothing against Max. I wish he drove for Ferrari with LEC.

Fact is, RUS caused some drama and stewards punished Max. That’s gamesmanship. You can be upset but this is how everyone else feels when Max gets away with his divebombs and passes.

For me there is a difference in behavior on track and off track, If this is the behavior from Russel off track than it’s indeed not a very nice person.

[venkyhere]

GR is that 'too clever for his own good' smart chap in the classroom, aiming to be the school monitor, teachers' pet etc. Thinks he has the moral high ground on fellow classmates. The 'so dangerous that I had to take evading action that damaged my floor, probably why couldn't improve laptime' radio message was 100% intended to influence the stewards. The clever lawyer who goes and still makes 'comments that will be deleted' despite knowing this, so that the judge's mind is subverted even if minutely. He is talented, but thinks others are idiots and he is the smart one. Verstappen is the blunt bully, who doesn't know how to argue his position even if he isn't guilty, and chooses profanity instead, to make his point. I am guessing this is what transpired in the 'stewards hearing'.

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/vers ... /10678443/

The stewarding in this case, is scum.

We saw the scale of the penalty bonanza today. Plus the 'delays' by race control to declare SC (debris on track is allowed for 4-5 laps, then 'oh s**t, puncture?' and then SC). It was rigged by Liberty and F1 (backchannel hotline to race control) to make the final WCC battle 'exciting'. Ultimately, '$$$ is what really matters'.

I feel like a prophet, having typed the quoted post before the race.

[Farnborough]

Max view given here, from 11:13 timeline, in answer to specific question of journalists



It did seem quite pointed and certainly not well received.

[f1isgood]

Potentially. I felt McL's tire water trick could only happen after the pitstops somehow but anyways. Curious to see how it unfolds at Abu Dhabi.

After a pit stop and onto the harder tire is exactly when you would want something to add a little life to your tires till the end of the race.

Tbh most of the race was ran on the medium, it was the life of the medium that was critical for the race and where you would have wanted the advantage. Russell ran out of tire and you saw what happened. The first few laps on the hard were in Norris favor, suggesting they came up to temp quicker, also indicating less cooling.

Indeed. Lando seems to think they had the quicker car. That is not entirely surprising but if Max could have managed to hold him off, would have been even more remarkable.