Belgian GP 2010 - Spa Francorchamps

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donskar wrote:McL has top speed; RB advantage through the twisties; Ferrari good overall. I'll say Alonso.

Just how rigid is the rule about the factories being closed -- NO work on the cars before Spa???
Aggree with the car assessment, however Force India will go well here, and probably BMW Sauber and maybes Williams. I think that HRT will be the best of the new teams here due to their top end speed.

And how rigidly the rules are enforced, the teams are allowed to take thei cars back and put them in the race bays and dis-assemble them to their core and thats about it.

CFD facilities have to be closed down, Wind Tunnels closed down as well, simulators as well, the FIA send arround a observer to put security tags over doorways to prevent entry, Blackberrys and Laptops all must be handed in and put in a "secure room" and locked by the FIA.

Most teams are starting their 2 week power-down from Wednesday thru to Monday. The only exeption is STR as they are taking their holidays a week on Wednesday as they are using the time that Red Bull arnt using the CFD and Wind Tunnel to develop their car for next year, thus establishing a loophole.

Howeverm, there are many other loopholes, there isnt any rules against meeting up and having a meal and discussing new cars or design posibilities with a personal laptop(s) or PC(s) with software bought personally and trying designs in that that are close to what could be made for 201l, there isnt any rule against pen and paper or looking at figures on paper or even the 2011 rules that you could have printed out. And there isnt any rule against ideas kept in the brain is there, so with that i question the shut-down.

Thats why id much rather have 3-three week breaks with each team taking their holiday in one of them, but only make it the race team, anyone based at the factory that dosnt go to the races can still keep on developing and such, as going by Force Indias figure last year, with the cost of the close-down and open-up added in it only saved the team £400,000 last year. I supose its something, but id prefer the three week break idea and have another GP before Spa.

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I don't think redbull has a clear advantage in the turns. Ferrari and Mclaren should be able to carry the same speed through these turns.

Mclaren very strong in sector1, redbull in sector2, mclaren ferrari sector 3.

I don't think redbull's sector 2 will be strong enough to offset Mclaren's sector1.
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When you guys make those assessments of cars being "strong" in specific sectors are you guys ever spot on? I don't mean to be rude or offend, but I've always wondered about that.
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Especially with the goal posts moving. We have Mclaren experimenting with a new EBD and Red Bull being one of the fastest cars in a straight line a couple races ago with their f-duct.

Ferrari is on a new tear and showing great pace. Even STR seems to be punching above their previous weight.

Nobody expected Red Bull to dominate the whole track last race by that margin. Predictability is out the window this year for the most part.
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Actually wouldn't Red Bull be able to cruise through Eau Rouge as well? That should help them. I for one am still betting on an RB pole, if not an RB front row lockout.
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mx_tifosi wrote:When you guys make those assessments of cars being "strong" in specific sectors are you guys ever spot on? I don't mean to be rude or offend, but I've always wondered about that.
Sometimes is kinda accurate. I ussally watch last years onboard laps and see how well the cars go through the turns. If for example fisichella was struggling through some turns at spa, you can kind of work out how easier the redbull would go through.
More guessing games than anything substantial, but it's fun.

here was my hungary predition last race:
Redbull has disgusting traction. I think they will be strong all over.
That car picks up very early on turn exit.
It will be strongest in sectors 2 and 3, and maybe equal with ferrari in sector1.
not bad huh? 8)

I'd go with a Lewis Hamilton, or Alonso pole. Engine power is important on a track with so much elevation change. Redbull may have good top speed now, but it's going to take them longer to reach it.
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Well the traction would certainly still help them out of La Source. We know traction out of La Source is immensely important.
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Traction at that speed is for cars with the best suspension. For me that's a difficult thing to assess seeing as suspension geometry is a closely guarded secret.
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No the traction this was for the hungaroring last race. I was just highlighting that it is possible to predict which cars are strong at which sectors based on last years onboard pole laps for the respective tracks.
I always use those videos to get an idea of how things will play out as regards to which car will be strong at certain points.
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ringo wrote:I don't think redbull has a clear advantage in the turns. Ferrari and Mclaren should be able to carry the same speed through these turns.

Mclaren very strong in sector1, redbull in sector2, mclaren ferrari sector 3.

I don't think redbull's sector 2 will be strong enough to offset Mclaren's sector1.
I agree, i see redbull murdering sector 2, but lagginf in sector 1 and 3 compared to mclaren. i still expect red bull pole...but fancy lewis to overtake at the beggining of the race.
as for ferrari..it all depends on this supposed big update they bring. at the moment id see them being a very close 3rd at spa

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raymondu999 wrote:I wonder how McLaren's seemingly rigid suspension setup will work for them in Eau Rouge...
An important question imo, McLaren have to count on being fast through Eau Rogue to Malmedy. With their rear wing stall device The Boss, and JB need that section for overtaking, or at least gaining.
I wish I had a crystal ball, because I can't objectively handicap this race. It will be interesting what upgrades Ferrari has. I think I read something that Stefano D said in regard to a modification to the positioning of the gearbox that they can't employ until they have had the 4 races on it without a penalty.(although I may have dreamed that) :lol:
Plus there is always the prospect of rain that could turn this thing into a lottery. If that is the case my money is on Fred with the bad luck he had earlier in the season, he seems imo to be the beneficiary now, and he may just roll with it for a little longer! :-"
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red bull might be strong here too, considering their qualifying results in canada.
but i think they will not be a safe bet for race (for which i'm excited about)

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Red Bull will be amazing from Les Combes to Stavelot!

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The Red Bull isn't the greatest at hard trail braking type corners.
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raymondu999 wrote:Actually wouldn't Red Bull be able to cruise through Eau Rouge as well? That should help them. I for one am still betting on an RB pole, if not an RB front row lockout.

There is no such thing as an F1 car that can't do Eau Rouge flat out.

Maybe the new guys can't, but its a flat out corner for everyone since the intro of V8's.
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