Remember how Red Bull changed the engine map software midway through last season (was it just after Silverstone?). Prior to that, Webber was widely praised for his ability to adapt his line through corners to make the most of the exhaust blowing. It's hard to quantify, but I think it's fair to speculate (!) the fingertip drivers see a marginally larger benefit from the EBD compared to the drivers adjusting their turns constantly using both the wheel and the throttle.JohnsonsEvilTwin wrote:How much of Vettels domination is due to the EBD?
My conception of the difference between the EBDs of 2011 and the exhaust blowing used in 2010 is exactly the difference in throttle sensitivity. With hot/cold blowing maximized off throttle this year, the difference in exhaust gas volume assisting the diffuser is less than volume difference on and off throttle last year?Then say you added an EBD. Now it's SENSITIVE to throttle position; and you would need to drive in a certain way to eliminate this sensitivity.
Yes, thats what Brundle and Coulthard were alluding too. I think if you look at what's happened in terms of the performance between Vettel and Webber, you could plot a graph that would coincide with these automated developments.JMN wrote:Remember how Red Bull changed the engine map software midway through last season (was it just after Silverstone?). Prior to that, Webber was widely praised for his ability to adapt his line through corners to make the most of the exhaust blowing. It's hard to quantify, but I think it's fair to speculate (!) the fingertip drivers see a marginally larger benefit from the EBD compared to the drivers adjusting their turns constantly using both the wheel and the throttle.JohnsonsEvilTwin wrote:How much of Vettels domination is due to the EBD?
Ironically his most stable and "mature" year (except his debut season) was 2009.ringo wrote:Just give the man a winning car.
That's a cheap shot, there was a lot of complaints about Schumacher's dominance making F1 boring. Many of the Schumacher years were tedious due to lack of effective competition.Weinstein wrote:I agree, but I don't remember much complaints when Schumacher was winning so often, was that beacause of Ferrari?mx_tifosi wrote:Yes. Perhaps I shouldn't have specified using Vettel, but rather domination by any single team or driver.
No, they expected him to suffer from the banning of off-throttle blowing. Not from the actual exhaust position banning. Here's what I'm saying in a nutshell:JohnsonsEvilTwin wrote:Brundle and Coulthard both expected Webber to benefit from the EBD ban and Vettel to suffer
These are effectively the same thing in braking zones, where Webber is losing out. Check the back to back videos of Webbo vs Seb and you see the tiny fractions Vettel gains in big breaking zones.raymondu999 wrote: EBD + No offthrottle: Advantage Webber
No EBD (periscope exhaust): advantage Vettel
The problem you get when you lose time under braking is that it will have a massive impact on entry, mid corner and exit speed.raymondu999 wrote:That's where I'm disagreeing. Webber is losing in entry, apex and exit phases; it's not just a matter of braking. I reckon part of the braking advantage is just Vettel being a lot more confident on it than Webber is.
The way I see it, the off-throttle blown diffuser removes the throttle sensitivity of downforce production; and is basically increasing downforce in the slow corners.
raymondu999 wrote:We would have to wait and see. I think we're agreed on disagreeing here
And 2009 let's not forget he also smashed Webber. I'm convinced it's the tyres and not exhausts.
That's almost right. The second point is that Webber had (a bit) more technical problems at the start of the season and needed some time to get comfortable with the car. I think when building the RB7 the team considered the WDC desires somewhat more.JohnsonsEvilTwin wrote:When they revert back to periscopes, I would expect Webber to be back near the 2009 and 2010 form. There is no other logical explantion as to how Vettel has trampled him this season in comparison to the preceding 2 years.
He did? Some of his comments sounded to me like he was blaming Perez.Mandrake wrote:I don't understand Schumacher...why did he have to push that hard there? He's driving very very well, but sometimes he suffers from the Hamilton syndrome. At least he admits his faults straightaway