Renault R31

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boulier admitted that they went backwards with some of their upgrades this year.

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Lycoming wrote:boulier admitted that they went backwards with some of their upgrades this year.
they have barely made any to be quite frank.
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Hi, Is it me or has the colour on the car gone from gold to cream? before british GP is it me or did it look gold, now it looks cream?
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Yes
N12ck wrote:Hi, Is it me or has the colour on the car gone from gold to cream? before british GP is it me or did it look gold, now it looks cream?
Yes it has, I also noticed that. Gold was better in my opinion :mrgreen:
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One may say, car was shiny, when it was shining on the track and now it dimmed both in it's looks and performance ;)

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N12ck wrote:Hi, Is it me or has the colour on the car gone from gold to cream? before british GP is it me or did it look gold, now it looks cream?
They can't afford it. :mrgreen:

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They'd be wise to scrap all development of this car and transfer all funds to R32. They can't catch Mercedes and probably won't be caught by other midfielders (point-wise).

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govind112 wrote:Yes
N12ck wrote:Hi, Is it me or has the colour on the car gone from gold to cream? before british GP is it me or did it look gold, now it looks cream?
Yes it has, I also noticed that. Gold was better in my opinion :mrgreen:
I thought it had, but why?!?!?! the gold is better, the legendary lotuses which these are praying tribute to were black and gold, not black and cream!!!
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mith wrote:They'd be wise to scrap all development of this car and transfer all funds to R32. They can't catch Mercedes and probably won't be caught by other midfielders (point-wise).
True, but they need to get the best setup out of the car as they can as they are 22 points ahead of the Force India cars and if the Force Indias keep scoring at on average 5 points over the next 5 races, they are gone. I think the Force India car will catch them in the remaining GPs, its a dip of only €4m in the constructors table, but that €4m may be enough to make the R32 strong from the start or make the VJM/05 jump into the more active battle with the R32 next year.

Renault will upgrade once more with a few detail upgrades, but Force India now will exploit set up, and i think Force India will do better that way. Renault should just try and get the best they can from what they have and try and get a couple of 6th and that will do them. But i just dont see it so far, FI will beat them i think. However its the Renaults race pace thats the worry for me as Force India have better race pace by a god bit.

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arent Renault yet to come with upgraded bodywork? Was expected for Monza, then it was postponed due to manufacturing errors, then they would run it in singapore but there were other problems, hopefully they finally run it in Japan, then I think they have finally secured 5th place
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Last edited by Donuts on 28 Sep 2011, 16:30, edited 1 time in total.
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I totally agree with you, ESPImperium. If they are able to use new bodywork next time, they should do it, but if it won't be working third time in the row, the should forget about it and focus on maximizing their performance with their current package in the same manner Mercedes did last year.

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Donuts wrote:Interesting reading...

http://www.lotusrenaultgp.com/6992-Sing ... ml?lang=en
Yes the blowing is very central to this car. It doesn't put the downforce on the rear axle like the other rear solutions.
It is also dependent on wind speed to perform. The rear blown solution's performance is not dependent on any external conditions.
For the FEE at low speeds the gases blow more perpendicular to the car. It is really tuned to work at a specific speed range which is another restriction.
So that is the weakness of the FE; more variables at play, restrictions and dependencies.
This feature wont be on the car next year it seems. It's too sensitive.
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ringo wrote:
Donuts wrote:Interesting reading...

http://www.lotusrenaultgp.com/6992-Sing ... ml?lang=en
Yes the blowing is very central to this car. It doesn't put the downforce on the rear axle like the other rear solutions.
It is also dependent on wind speed to perform. The rear blown solution's performance is not dependent on any external conditions.
For the FEE at low speeds the gases blow more perpendicular to the car. It is really tuned to work at a specific speed range which is another restriction.
So that is the weakness of the FE; more variables at play, restrictions and dependencies.
This feature wont be on the car next year it seems. It's too sensitive.
It was a bold move and for a while it looked like it worked. I wonder what made them decide not to run the REE after they'd tested it in practice this year? Heidfeldt looked just as fast as Petrov from the start. Anyway, I think this was a one off and the reason for not seeing that many "spectacular" updates on the car is probably beacuse they realized there's not much more you can do to add performance to it as long as it has FEE.
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ringo wrote: This feature wont be on the car next year it seems. It's too sensitive.

All EBDs are banned next year. :wink: