Schumi deliberately blocks Monaco quali

[RH1300S]

[f1.redbaron]

Yeah, I saw that animation appear on one of the other forums, and realized that that animation is the best way to describe what have we been doing here over the past 24 pages

[Scuderia_Russ]

I was confused.

Explains alot.

[manchild]

Hehe, I think it's still giving signs of life so...

Just quick reply to Jason... Damon's sidepod was ok. His front upper left suspension arm was demaged (back than made out of titanium, not CF). You can see it from his onboard cam and from cam recording action in the pits.

[f1.redbaron]

beep....beep....beep.......beep............beep.......................beeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeep.....

[DaveKillens]

AS far as the Damon and Shu incident, I clearly recall watching it unfold. Shu was ahead, but sudenly he damaged his car. He suddenly was wounded, and it was obvious to all that he would be much slower, would most likely pit and retire. Damon suddenly found himself closing very quickly on Shu, and it was an enetivable pass. Damon tried the inside line, Shu went there too, and suddenly both were out. I didn't watch just a clip, I watched the race, heck, the entire season. In my mind, I am firmly comitted to the opinion Shu deliberately took Damon out to claim the title.
If Shu had not collided with damon, Hill would have most certainly won the title that season. This is just one series of incidents during Shu's long career that leads many who have observed him for his entire career that he is a driver willing to do anything to win, including making unethical decisions.

[Jason]

Damon's sidepod was ok. His front upper left suspension arm was demaged

I can't see very clearly where Damon's Williams was damaged due to the poor quality at the end of the video you gave me.

[manchild]

Here is downloadable mpeg file (better quality)

http://www.farzadsf1gallery.com/feature ... /adel4.mpg

[[EDF]Fx]

The only thing you can see is that the wishbone was damaged but Hill retired so it doesnt really matter where his car was damaged.

The -94 incident is in my view not comparable to the infamous -97 incident. Deliberately or not people have collided over lesser things than a championship and to me its a racing incident. From the video you cant see that Schumacher cars is damaged after hitting the wall and you cant blame him for trying to keep Hill behind him. Cant blame Hill for trying to get past as soon as possible, if Schumachers car survived the impact he might pull away again so Hills dive on the inside is quite understandable.

/ Fx

[Jason]

Schuey's infamous 1997 move was clearly unforgiveable, he should have admitted he has lost to JV but no. Slammed the thorttle and went straight into JV's Williams. The punishment from the FIA served him well enough.

[RH1300S]

The -94 incident is in my view not comparable to the infamous -97 incident. Deliberately or not people have collided over lesser things than a championship and to me its a racing incident. From the video you cant see that Schumacher cars is damaged after hitting the wall and you cant blame him for trying to keep Hill behind him. Cant blame Hill for trying to get past as soon as possible, if Schumachers car survived the impact he might pull away again so Hills dive on the inside is quite understandable./ Fx

Although I veer towards a cynical block by MS - this is pretty much how history should sum this incident up. Well put.

Jason.....do you watch different races to the rest of us??

[Tom]

In a completely unbiased view, I'm forced to admit that viewing that particular incident in isolation to any other action by either of these drivers and not being aware of the championship scenareo at that time, the Adelaide Hill vs Schuky was 6 and 1/2 a dozen, however in the big picture I'm pretty sure it was a deliberate move by Michael.

[[EDF]Fx]

Of course it was deliberate but the question is whether Schumacher wanted to take Hill with him on purpose or if he only wanted to close the door on Hill and take the racingline to prevent Hill from making a pass. Thats the tricky question.

In any case Im pretty sure that Schumacher is not too unhappy with the outcome.

/ Fx

[manchild]

The only thing you can see is that the wishbone was damaged but Hill retired so it doesnt really matter where his car was damaged.

What do you mean by "it doesnt really matter where his car was damaged"?
Hill's car was in perfect shape before Schuey hit him so it was Schuey who destroyed Hill's car and that's why he is responsible. Regardless on conditon of his car Hill passed more than 1/2 lenght of Schuey's car so Schuey had no right to try to block him anymore. That is not my oppinion but something written in FIA regualtions for many decades.

Of course it was deliberate but the question is whether Schumacher wanted to take Hill with him on purpose or if he only wanted to close the door on Hill and take the racingline to prevent Hill from making a pass. Thats the tricky question./ Fx

Acording to FIA sporting regualtions he had no right to change his defense line twice or to slow down any driver with demaged car. Plain and simple & nothing tricky about that. It's not his intention that's being judged but his move and negative effect it had on Hill. If Scheuy had passed into next lap with that car he'd got black flagged because his car wasn't capable of maintaining racing speed.

[Scuderia_Russ]

Regardless on conditon of his car Hill passed more than 1/2 lenght of Schuey's car so Schuey had no right to try to block him anymore. .

There is no way Schumacher could have known this under the circumstances. We appear to be repeating ourselves Manchild..... to the point where I'm considering nipping down the shops for a packet of razor blades.