Pirelli 2013

[mcalex]

Anyone remember the movie "Days Of Thunder" and the scene, where two driving styles produced the same lap time, but only one killed the tyres ?
I see this year exactly the same. If you are able to drive fast with no or minimal sliding then you preserve the tires much better than others.

[FW17]

Pirelli must have really worked hard in making tyres that last 25-30 kms
=D>

[godlameroso]

I suspect Pirelli will keep the Hard and Medium tire as they are, and revert to the super soft of last year as the soft, and this year's soft as the super soft.

[Pierce89]

If the passing is as easy as people claim, why didn't Vettel ever pass Hulkenberg? He was totally stuck behind the Hulk and said on radio he could go .5 quicker if Hulk wasn't in front.

[strad]

MARBLES

[muhammadtalha-13]

I had this crazy idea when i was thinking about buying a new set of tyres for my roadcar. it's just my opinion though
How about someone introduces treaded tyres in formula 1? Well my idea is that a treaded tyre is manyfactured which degrades and gradually become a 'slick' tyre and faster as well.
In this way, teams will be forced use their tyres in free practices to make them slicks for qualifying and it will also make the race exciting if the rule of starting the race on qualifying tyres is removed. so it will be upto teams if they want to do a non-stop race with new tyres (treaded,slower) or a 1 or maybe 2 stop race with slicks( used-faster) Crazy right???

[Just_a_fan]

If the passing is as easy as people claim, why didn't Vettel ever pass Hulkenberg? He was totally stuck behind the Hulk and said on radio he could go .5 quicker if Hulk wasn't in front.

Because the RB is quicker in the twisties but limited on top speed. So on the straights he didn't have the speed overlap to overtake.

[CBeck113]

@ muhammadtalha-13: yes, you are

But there is something valid in your suggestion, even if it isn't directly stated: the drivers can't let the tires rejuvenate themselves by driving more calmly for a few laps. If this were possible, then they could fight, but would have to work them back into a lower temperature window afterwards, but they wouldn't have to pit for new tires. During the cool-down phase they would be vulnerable, but all would not be lost as with the current tires.
Generally I support the idea of making races more tactical, since driving 100% for the full race usually only rewards the fastest car. The direct way of adjusting the weight (i.e. refueling) was removed for safety reasons, so what was left? Beyond that, simulation SW is so good that all the teams ended up starting races with the same tactics, pitting within a few laps of each other, and usually exiting in the same order as they entered.
I have a better suggestion: very hard tires combined with steel brake discs (no, really!). THAT would force smarter fighting without destroying the show, since they can easily be pushed and then recover by not stressing them, without becoming unsafe. I just don't know if this generation of drivers could adapt to a change like that.
Summary: a change was absolutely necessary, but it wasn't done correctly IMO. Just my €0.02.

[thisisatest]

If they want to encourage passing, they need to engineer out the marbles, or make them less of an issue.
Does tire "degradation" have to tear the rubber off the casing?
Why does it have to be degradation that forces the pit stop? what about plain ol tire wear? Maybe a much, much harder compound before the cord, so traction goes off but you're not going to die.

[FW17]

If the passing is as easy as people claim, why didn't Vettel ever pass Hulkenberg? He was totally stuck behind the Hulk and said on radio he could go .5 quicker if Hulk wasn't in front.

Because the RB is quicker in the twisties but limited on top speed. So on the straights he didn't have the speed overlap to overtake.

Defending and attacking costs tyre life, SV chose to do either.

[raymondu999]

If they want to encourage passing, they need to engineer out the marbles, or make them less of an issue.
Does tire "degradation" have to tear the rubber off the casing?
Why does it have to be degradation that forces the pit stop? what about plain ol tire wear? Maybe a much, much harder compound before the cord, so traction goes off but you're not going to die.

You have it the wrong way around.

[strad]

what about plain ol tire wear

This is plain old tire wear,,magnified.
When your tires wear, it's this fine dust like material.

[WhiteBlue]

So you agree, something has gone wrong. But, as I said above, Pirelli did exactly what was ask - didn't they? Who asked them to do it? The FIA. So either Pirelli has exactly supplied what was specified or someone is lying. My 'fictitious' (facetious - lost on you apparently, apologies) exchange happened in some form that made Pirelli take that path and be happy to do so. It may have been fictitious, but it's probably very close to the truth.

You seem to be a bit dense here. I have explained in simple words that the technical specifications for tyres like most of all the rule proposals are done by the F1 commission. You continue to ignore that information. If the Pirelli tyres are open to criticism it is not the FiA that got it wrong but the teams and Bernie. Live with it!

[MOWOG]

Reports have surfaced this week that Hankook may have an interest in being the F1 tire supplier. Why, I have no idea.

Pirelli have said several times they would like to know ASAP if they are to continue supplying tires to the sport past the end of this season. But Bernie and the teams seem in no hurry to clarify Pirelli's future. If they do not do so in a timely fashion, Pirelli may just say goodby to F1 and shut down their program.

I have joined in heaping criticism on the tires being used this year, but I recognize Pirelli is not at fault. They have faithfully carried out their mission as given to them by the sport. I should think they would be glad to be done with F1.

And Hankook could easily find themselves proving once again the truth of one of my old Irish grandmother's favorite sayings: Be careful what you wish for. You just might get it!

[Cam]

So you agree, something has gone wrong. But, as I said above, Pirelli did exactly what was ask - didn't they? Who asked them to do it? The FIA. So either Pirelli has exactly supplied what was specified or someone is lying. My 'fictitious' (facetious - lost on you apparently, apologies) exchange happened in some form that made Pirelli take that path and be happy to do so. It may have been fictitious, but it's probably very close to the truth.

You seem to be a bit dense here. I have explained in simple words that the technical specifications for tyres like most of all the rule proposals are done by the F1 commission. You continue to ignore that information. If the Pirelli tyres are open to criticism it is not the FiA that got it wrong but the teams and Bernie. Live with it!

Don't name call. We can have different opinions without acting like a spoilt 3 year old. Grow up. Just because we don't agree, doesn't make you right and it certainly doesn't give you the right to denigrate someone else.

I have explained in simple words that the technical specifications for tyres like most of all the rule proposals are done by the F1 commission. You continue to ignore that information

Well, actually, it goes like this (you'll note I've included balanced evidence):

The FIA (Fédération Internationale de l’Automobile), the Teams, represented by FOTA (the Formula One Teams Association), and Formula One’s organising body, represented by FOM (Formula One Management) have chosen Pirelli as their exclusive supplier, based on the specific proposals from the Italian company to guarantee technical and operational stability to the competitors.

Following current Formula One regulations laid down by world motorsport’s governing body, the FIA , the new contract ensures that Pirelli will provide teams with six different types of tyre for the season: four slicks, with different compounds for various types of dry surfaces, one rain tyre for heavy rain, and one intermediate tyre for damp conditions or light rain.

Pirelli was the choice of the majority of F1 teams and of Bernie Ecclestone. The FIA preferred the idea of Michelin, as did McLaren and Ferrari in particular.

Pirelli has been selected as the single tyre supplier for the FIA Formula One World Championship for a period of three years, commencing in 2011. The sole supplier will undertake to strictly respect the sporting and technical regulations implemented by the FIA.

We all know how it went down, it's been widely reported. It doesn't mean we can't have a dig and poke at one of the key contributors of the signing of Pirelli. But it does highlight you don't know what facetious means. For the record:

fa·ce·tious [fuh-see-shuhs]
adjective
1. not meant to be taken seriously or literally: a facetious remark.
2. amusing; humorous.
3. lacking serious intent; concerned with something nonessential, amusing, or frivolous: a facetious person.

So you've called me dense for a non-literal comment. Smart move.

Leaving that now, another interesting point - as there's currently no Concorde - who does the next contract get signed to?