Pirelli 2013

[Sombrero]

+1 WhiteBlue

In the greater scheme of thing, I would point out that Pirelli ist the only tyre supplier for GP3, GP2 and F-1. That's the main reason why Bernie E. & FOM stick with Pirelli. FiA, on the other hand, doesn't care that much about GP2 and GP3 so a new manufactureer "only" for F-1 is not unlikely.

[Blackout]

http://adamcooperf1.com/2013/05/28/anal ... ing-teams/

[FoxHound]

You don't need to know the markings, just the characteristics.

How many laps before you get to know the characteristics?
Do you push hard or go easy, how do you bed the tyre in? How do you set up the car?

Everything is at default setting and Pirelli know what they are looking for whereas Mercedes don't.
Your assumption Mercedes gained from this test foregoes the previous 5 GP and 3 tests(5204kms) where clearly Mercedes W04 have shown stupendous ability to go through tyres and show no real progress on that front.

Please tell me, how a 1000km test on unmarked tyres make a difference?

The fact a team was allowed to run and compare setups/tyres on a current car - is an advantage. If they found a "sweet spot", well guess what setup is tried first at Canada.

The fact is you cannot compare. Pirelli didn't test a Barca GP spec tyre, they tested mainly 2014 tyres and a 1 or 2 for this year.
Kevlar banded rear tyres to help with de-laminations.
Who suffered a very high profile de-lamination? Mercedes.

Red Bull and Ferrari surprisingly where also offered to look on at this test, which makes Red Bull's squawking all the more amusing.

Anyhow, Joe Saward has run another piece I think you should read.

http://joesaward.wordpress.com/2013/05/ ... f-events/?

[Cam]

And?

What?

You believe that no advantage can come from a 3 day test. I disagree. The article suggests a political play. And? No decision happens in F1 without an ulterior motive. Why does this surprise you? What? Someone tried to bend the rules? Gosh. That's never happened before....

If Merc learned anything, and I mean anything, from the 3 days of running a current car, that's an advantage. If they learned that they learned nothing - they learned something. To suggest that the entire team and support personnel were not pouring over data for 3 days beggars belief.

But you are welcome to your beliefs. I don't share them. Lets agree to disagree.

[FlYiNgIcEmAn]

No new tyres in Canada confirmed by Pirelli.
The teams are able to test the modified tyres during free practice.
http://www.motorsport-total.com/f1/news ... 52903.html

[SectorOne]

I honestly can´t see how you can gain an advantage from the tires.
30+ different compounds tested. Maybe 10% of those will actually be available next year.
And all those compounds tested over 215ish laps. With about 7 laps per tire if you divide it up evenly.

There´s no way you are going to be able to recognize any of these tires 8 months later.
Then as you get to Canada you are going to look through 30+ different tire telemetries to try and locate 4 of the 30+ tires used in Catalunya assuming there has been no further modifications of the new 2013 tires after the test.
And when you find them you have about 7 laps of data per tire on a track with different temperatures that you won´t even race on.

Seems like the time you spent looking up those tires you can instead use FP1 and actually get data you know are from the new 2013 tires without a doubt.

Edit: and as i write this i see the tires will stay the same. Which made the test even more useless for Mercedes.

[Cam]

So the 'safety' issue has magically disappeared? Amazing.

[SectorOne]

Here´s a picture proving Mercedes ran tires on the wrong side of the car as early as Australia.
So it wasn´t something they disscovered in the test.

[Huntresa]

Here´s a picture proving Mercedes ran tires on the wrong side of the car as early as Australia.
So it wasn´t something they disscovered in the test.

http://www.formule1.nl/media/uploads/me ... 846.71.jpg

No but they now know how the 2013 compaunds with 2012 kevlar will work and if they need to swap them aswell.

[Kiril Varbanov]

I can only imagine the amount of pressure upon Pirelli right now, but I can't agree that 1000 km more are not an advantage, given the anyway limited track time.

[FoxHound]

7 laps per compound....enough data when you don't even know the compound you are running on? hmmm

[strad]

Here´s a picture proving Mercedes ran tires on the wrong side of the car as early as Australia.

HUH?

[Holm86]

Here´s a picture proving Mercedes ran tires on the wrong side of the car as early as Australia.

HUH?

If you open the picture and zoom in on the tire you can see there is an R written on the tire. And also a direction arrow pointing the "wrong" way.

I don't know why that should be an advantage. I don't know why Mercedes run the tires on the wrong side??

Is it even legal?? I seem to remember something about a pitstop error where someone got the leftside tires on the right side and vise versa. Or was it fronts and rears from 2 diffirent sets. I cant remember. But they got a penalty.

[diffuser]

Here´s a picture proving Mercedes ran tires on the wrong side of the car as early as Australia.
So it wasn´t something they disscovered in the test.

http://www.formule1.nl/media/uploads/me ... 846.71.jpg

No but they now know how the 2013 compaunds with 2012 kevlar will work and if they need to swap them aswell.

The New Kevlar walled tires aren't handed.

[diffuser]

I can only imagine the amount of pressure upon Pirelli right now, but I can't agree that 1000 km more are not an advantage, given the anyway limited track time.

I don't think that there is any pressure on Pirelli. They created a tire that everyone tested and nobody complained about till this year. Now some teams are having problems with the tires and are complaining but the rules really prevent Pirelli (except for safety issues, which BTW Pirelli has already said wasn't a safety concern) from changing the tire until next year. I fully expect that atleast 1 team will balk at the new tires and they'll not be used. When that happens I pray that We'll hear the end of the red BULL.


On the other hand, I think that Merc is in deep dodo. They will loose points or be suspended from future races. If FIA doesn't do something substantial to prevent teams from testing, there will be a wrath of new testing.