Pirelli's motorsport director Paul Hembery has repeated at Korea that F1's sole tyre suppliers need to have more relevant tyre testing if it is to develop solid and reliable tyres for the 2014 season.
Yeah last year they invited to test 2013 and then they sent for 2014, hard to follow ?Oh my. So the teams were invited in 2012 to test 2013 tyres, when the test actually tested 2014 tyres....... wtf is going on!?
Where? I see this only.Huntresa wrote:Yeah last year they invited to test 2013, this year they did 2014, hard to follow ?Oh my. So the teams were invited in 2012 to test 2013 tyres, when the test actually tested 2014 tyres....... wtf is going on!?
If you actually had read the rest they did say they sent the same request this year same as last year.
All teams mention only one email - back in 2012. Where in that article does it say "they sent the same request this year same as last year"?It added all teams were invited to participate in testing the 2013 tyres: “In March 2012, Pirelli sent an email to all the teams, FIA and FOM, inviting the teams to indicate their availability for testing for the development of tyres for 2013. Further, the company explained that it was necessary to conduct the tests with the teams’ cars because it did not have a suitable one of its own.”
Well that's the first anyone has known of a specific 2014 tyre test - that I know of.The company confirms its availability, as communicated to the teams many times in the past, to organise tests for the development of tyres for 2014 with all the teams in the championship.
Cam wrote:Where? I see this only.Huntresa wrote:Yeah last year they invited to test 2013, this year they did 2014, hard to follow ?Oh my. So the teams were invited in 2012 to test 2013 tyres, when the test actually tested 2014 tyres....... wtf is going on!?
If you actually had read the rest they did say they sent the same request this year same as last year.All teams mention only one email - back in 2012. Where in that article does it say "they sent the same request this year same as last year"?It added all teams were invited to participate in testing the 2013 tyres: “In March 2012, Pirelli sent an email to all the teams, FIA and FOM, inviting the teams to indicate their availability for testing for the development of tyres for 2013. Further, the company explained that it was necessary to conduct the tests with the teams’ cars because it did not have a suitable one of its own.”
If you're referring to this:Well that's the first anyone has known of a specific 2014 tyre test - that I know of.The company confirms its availability, as communicated to the teams many times in the past, to organise tests for the development of tyres for 2014 with all the teams in the championship.
Seems like the public are not the only ones to not hear of it:turbof1 wrote:No, it is the first time the public heard of it. We don't know to what the internal communication in f1 extended to.
Ferrari have pushed repeatedly for in-season testing to be re-introduced and team principal Stefano Domenicali said that was one of the reasons for their protest.
"If this is possible we will be the first to raise our arms to make sure we can do the same, because as you know Ferrari has always been very much pushing to try to do in-season testing on the track," he told reporters.
Seems the public are not the only ones in the dark......When asked to clarify if Lotus was asked to do a test with its 2013 car, Boullier said: "No.
"I heard the same rumours [about the FIA granting permission] but whatever permission was given, it should have been allowed to everybody.
"And at least you should make it aware to everybody: not just go and test on your own somewhere."
I wonder the other 10% is then?Huntresa wrote:Im reading from Pitpass.com and the news article on this site,
""Already in March 2012, Pirelli sent an email to all the teams, Fia and Fom, inviting the teams to indicate their availability for testing for the development of tyres for 2013. Further, the company explained that it was necessary to conduct the tests with the teams’ cars because it did not have a suitable one of its own (Pirelli has the use of an adapted 2010 Renault and, before that, a 2009 Toyota).
The invitation was subsequently repeated in various official contexts and repeated to some teams last March for the development of tyres for 2014. Mercedes was the first team to show interest in such a test, hence Pirelli chose to do the test with them.
Hembrey: "It was 90 per cent for next year. We only changed [our plans for 2013 work] at the last minute."
Now you are putting pieces together at random. Those have nothing to do with testing 2014 tyres, but with the 2013 car used. Which they apperently got wrong. Fia already stated that the 2013 car was ok'ed to use when certain conditions were met. Pirelli claims mercedes got OK'ed by the fia to do it.Seems like the public are not the only ones to not hear of it:
At random - this whole episode is random - but they are current quote related to the tests Pirelli asked for. I guess we'll see - certainly no teams have ever mentioned a "2014" tyre test, in an old car, or a new one. The only mention was a 2012 email offering to test - which the teams assumed was only allowable under the Regulations.turbof1 wrote:Now you are putting pieces together at random. Those have nothing to do with testing 2014 tyres, but with the 2013 car used.Seems like the public are not the only ones to not hear of it:
turbof1 wrote:They don't have to run a test for that. At their factory they have special testing benches where they run such things for hours, with the ability to shake and rock the table, putting the gearbox through very similar stresses they encounter on circuits.Ganxxta wrote:If they were testing the Gearbox, they don't actually need to know anything about any tyre they used, they would have run a gearbox for 1000(!) km, so to test reliability, temperatures, shift timings etc. its more then enough time to get valuable data, regardless of used tyres.diffuser wrote:I believe that what was written was both red bull and Ferrari were told. They Claim that they weren't told that they could test with the 2013 car. They thought it would be another test with the 2011 car like the one they had done a couple of weeks before. To me the fact that Ferrari & Red Bull are ready to run a test with the 2013 Car tomorrow if asked is proof they didn't know.
That thing from Wolf about not being able to produce new parts in 10 days for the test. What does he take us for fools ? Like they don't have new parts in the pipe line? They've been accused of testing the new Gearbox casing that they brought to Monaco at Barcelona. So it isn't just test with the tires but just testing in general. If they did 200 laps at Barcelona, you how easy it is to test the same tire with different parts to give you accurate results? They may not of known if tyre-A was the 2014 tyre or if tyre-B was. They knew which ones were tyre-B and they knew ones were tyre-A. If they didn't know, I bet Nico And Lewis could tell you fairly quickly after a couple of runs with each.
It isn't a new gearbox btw, it's just a casing around it. More importantly, and the reason for the casing, is the new suspension pick-up points, which alter the geometry of the suspension. Unfortunaly, because they don't know which tyres they used and since they weren't the current ones, no data can be correlated back the current ones. The only thing they could have tested in that regard is the driveability of the car with its new geometry.
turbof1 wrote:Back in the days when testing was fairly unlimited we had as many if not more gearbox and engine breakdowns. It is a consequence that components always have a chance to fail, no matter the abundance of testing.
The same? Where have you been? Did you take a good look at what teams like williams did to their gearboxes the last couple of years?diffuser wrote:turbof1 wrote:Back in the days when testing was fairly unlimited we had as many if not more gearbox and engine breakdowns. It is a consequence that components always have a chance to fail, no matter the abundance of testing.
I don't think you can compare today back to when they did almost unlimited testing. The engines/gearboxes are pretty much the same as they've been since 2006. That's alot of time to get the bugs out. Back in the day the engines and gearboxes could evolved at the same pace that aero does today (changes at almost every race).
