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Pirelli's motorsport director Paul Hembery has repeated at Korea that F1's sole tyre suppliers need to have more relevant tyre testing if it is to develop solid and reliable tyres for the 2014 season.
SectorOne wrote:No it´s calculated. It would be the same as Pirelli´s if the fuel starting to degrade in efficiency just because it´s one degree above the working temperature leaving the car with 50 horsepower less.diffuser wrote:I'd think it's more like 1 runner blaming his shoes when another runner runs past him. It's amazing they can manage the Fuel! How is it they don't run out of Fuel ? Cause they Manage it.
Because the first thing that would go is.......drumrolls.......the tires...diffuser wrote:Why don't they carry enough fuel to go full out for the whole race?
Sometimes they bank on a safety car period and pay the price for it in the race but that´s different.
Because it´s a regulation.diffuser wrote:Why don't they complain about the 17K rev limit ?
It´s actually the opposite. More regulations, less innovation and engineering challenges.diffuser wrote:and create artificial engineering challenges
diffuser wrote:In my opinion the 2013 tires are no different than Double diffuser ban, 17k rev limiter, engine restrictions, 4 gearboxes per season, narrower rear wings
All regulations..
Where in the sporting or technical regulations can i read about how the Pirelli tires should act?
You honestly think it went like that? Aside from the question if they are right or wrong, Mercedes will have good reasons to believe that what they did was correct. As it looks now, they atleast assumed out of communications with the FIA that it was allowed.scotty86 wrote:I'm still trying to get my head round why Mercedes decided that it'd be absolutely no problem for them to test with their current car when everyone with any sort of interest in F1 knows what the rules on that are. What were they thinking?
With so many chiefs up there in Mercedes I wouldn't be surprised if they did just that - acted foolishly and made a mess.turbof1 wrote: Teams don't do foolish things, even if it looks like that. This was by all means a calculated risk, and for Mercedes the odds seemed good enough.
Not so long ago this was also used as an argument to suggest this was the reason they couldn't make a fast car.Dragonfly wrote:With so many chiefs up there in Mercedes I wouldn't be surprised if they did just that - acted foolishly and made a mess.
Well to be fair the FIA gave clearance only if all teams could participate. Personally, I've seen no evidence that all the other teams were really given that oppurtunity. All I've heard of was an email from Pirelli that tire testing is allowed in their contract. The sporting regs clearly state that testing a current car during the season is illegal. I would think the FIA expected any tire testing to be done in an older car.FoxHound wrote:Not so long ago this was also used as an argument to suggest this was the reason they couldn't make a fast car.Dragonfly wrote:With so many chiefs up there in Mercedes I wouldn't be surprised if they did just that - acted foolishly and made a mess.
This was of course, dispelled.
Secondly, as Richard outlined, there was clearance for the team to go ahead.
Irrespective of who has how many chiefs, there was a green light from the FIA.
The conversation was about Ferrari being in the clear. No one said Merc was guilty.FoxHound wrote:A tribunal has been called for Mercedes to appear.Pierce89 wrote:Stefan posted a statement from FIA.com. Not good enough?SectorOne wrote:Any rational and logical person would not conclude anything before an official FIA statement.
Oh and check the headline at the top of the page.
No verdict has been met, so SectorOne is correct in saying wait for the official verdict.
It has also been said that Charlie Whiting had given the green light for Mercedes to use the W04. Mercedes will be using the emails as evidence against the FIA effectively. The point in question, is why Mercedes would use the W04 if it did not have the permission to do so.
The emails from the FIA where passed by both Mercedes and Pirelli management's respectively.
Ridiculous situation if true, whereby the governing body effectively will have to explain WHY this happened.
My view is that Mercedes will receive a warning, along with Pirelli or a suspended sentence. The real issue is whether Charlie Whiting keeps his job over this debacle.
Or maybe this is by design to get rid of Pirelli....or even to get shot of Brawn at Mercedes now that Lowe has taken up residence.
Publicly, this is what the FIA have stated.Pierce89 wrote:Well to be fair the FIA gave clearance only if all teams could participate.
Mercedes and Pirelli will argue that since Mercedes did not run the test then there is no problem. Pirelli ran the test.The rules state a competing team can't test with 'current/recent' car. Rules do not ban tyre supplier testing with any car they like. That is what Mercedes will argue and they appear to be very confident they have prior permission from the FIa.SiLo wrote:If Mercedes have confirmation from the FIA then what can actually be done? It's almost like the police saying "yes you can commit this crime, it's ok".
"There's no beating around the bush, it's a nice scenario to go to the venue you have just competed at, that's quite an attractive option to take your race drivers and get a feel for it," he explained.
"There is no [tyre] reference point apparently, that's how Pirelli do their tests, but you would assume the baseline is pretty close to what we are racing. So you're going to get a pretty good idea if something is moving in a good or negative fashion.
"You're not going to learn nothing as a driver.
"It's not probably as powerful for a driver as a normal test because then everything is more transparent, especially from a factory point of view, but I think you can also test some options from a car side.
"From a team perspective that's a lot more powerful than it is for the drivers."