Pirelli 2013

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Seems like Pirelli isn´t that set in stone still.
Formula 1 teams are braced for the shock of an all-new tyre supplier for the 2014 F1 World Championship season.

That was the admission on Wednesday of McLaren’s managing director Jonathan Neale, even though he said the British team is “assuming” that Pirelli will get an eleventh-hour extension to its contract.
He did, however, admit that assumption actually has little foundation.

“If we were to get a late change from somebody else coming into the sport at short notice,” Neale told a Vodafone teleconference, “of course we would work around that and work with whoever the FIA [choose].”

It has been rumoured that, should the Jean Todt-led FIA launch a surprise tender process for 2014, Michelin might enter the rush to return to the grid.
Neale admitted that, with the 2014 cars being designed around the basic data of the Pirelli tyre, a last-minute change of supplier would be a spanner in the works.

“But it would be the same for everybody,” he added. “So if somebody throws in a curveball at the last minute we’ll all have to recover but there’ll be some winners and losers in that.”

Meanwhile, Neale applauded Pirelli’s reaction to the tyre-exploding crisis of the British Grand Prix, but said there is some concern about this weekend’s high-speed circuit at Spa-Francorchamps.
Pirelli is supplying the hardest tyres in its range to teams in Belgium.

“I think for this weekend all the teams will be reasonably alert [because] we … high-load at Spa,” said Neale.

“Pirelli are being rightly cautious about making sure that the teams operate within certain restrictive windows on tyre pressures and cambers etc and we’re supportive of that process,” he added.
What a way for Pirelli to leave. All these years have been quite bizarre in a couple of ways. Now tossed out on the street.
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This sounds ominous. If we have a power struggle in the background it could be the right time for Jean Todt to make hay as the sun shines. I have said it before that Pirelli is not set in stone for 2014. I would not mind Michelin to come back at all.

The last decision not to change tyre dimensions could have been influenced by the Michelin factor as well. They have all the moulds to make a tyre to the current dimensions. So Pirelli could have been turned down by strategic considerations on behalf of the FiA.
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Pirelli will not be missed...

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Even if Pirelli stays, i think Mercedes will benefit.

Couple of reasons,

Pirelli are concerned about the extra torque so they proposed an idea to make them wider and bigger and obviously Mercedes jumped on this straight away and said "yes we support this".
I think the reason for that is that Mercedes probably thinks they will have the edge next year in terms of the engine so more durable tires is a good thing. (and consider they probably still will have more rear wear then other teams)

However, with the decision to not have wider and bigger tires, Pirelli is obviously still concerned because of the extra torque next year.
So what would a company that is concerned do? Make more durable tires to save them from another fiasco.
And who would welcome that with open arms? Mercedes.

This is all based on the "fact" that Mercedes will be competitive next year which isn´t a fact but still, it does seem like Mercedes has something up their sleeves with the way they supported Pirelli with bigger and wider tires while nobody else wanted it.
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I think that Mercedes advantage won´t be so much in horsepower but rather pure torque.
It´s the torque that will shred tires, not horsepower.
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SatchelCharge wrote:As someone who is not convinced that Mercedes will start 2014 with a huge power advantage, their desire for bigger rear tires can just as easily be attributed to the rampant wear issues they have seen in recent seasons including the beginning of this season.
Indeed, that's a nice dose of common sense. I suspect the noise about a more powerful engine has a large element of hype behind it ,it sells papers.

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Didn't I remember reading somewhere that Michelin would want larger diameter rims..??

Wouldn't that change the suspension design etc on a fundamental level??
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A spate of blow outs in FP2 will not help Pirelli's case. Spa is the real tyre breaking circuit that remains on the calendar if you compare historic data. There were failures in Spa in 2004-2005 prior to Indianapolis that made the FiA write a letter to the tyre companies asking for more tyre safety. It could well indicate that Pirelli are still underestimating the dynamic and thermal loads that are imposed by high speed and high gs on their construction, regardless of what they are telling us.
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WhiteBlue wrote:A spate of blow outs in FP2 will not help Pirelli's case. Spa is the real tyre breaking circuit that remains on the calendar if you compare historic data. There were failures in Spa in 2004-2005 prior to Indianapolis that made the FiA write a letter to the tyre companies asking for more tyre safety. It could well indicate that Pirelli are still underestimating the dynamic and thermal loads that are imposed by high speed and high gs on their construction, regardless of what they are telling us.

Yeah but Charlie Whiting is saying it was a piece of metal from Kimis car that had gotten loose and stayed on/in the kerb, so dont blame Pirelli for that.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/109425

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No, Pirelli said that. Charlie belived it.
Not the engineer at Force India

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Since they were capable of pinpointing on non-imaginary debris, I believe it is genuine.

Also note that the tyre didn't delaminated. It got punctured, and then everything just stayed on the rim. No tyre pieces flying around. Much safer that way. Personally I don't take issues with the event; the tyre got punctured, but doesn't loose inmediately all of its grip, giving the driver the chance to react.
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Tim.Wright wrote:No, Pirelli said that. Charlie belived it.
Stop being silly... It even dmged Vettels floor, it was a piece of ballast.

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Just watched Hembury showing the evidence to Gary Anderson for the tyre failures on Vettel and Alonso's cars. The photos showed the indentations that resulted in the deflations. The indentations matched the piece of metal found on the track at the corner that both suffered their punctures.

Seemed quite straight forward.

But of course Pirelli are lying and it's all down to them using pink string in the tyre construction... :roll:
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Michelin coming in alongside Pirelli or replacing them?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/23824122

i find it weird no contracts been signed with Pirelli, and would be interested to see a tyre war

8)

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waynes wrote:Michelin coming in alongside Pirelli or replacing them?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/23824122

i find it weird no contracts been signed with Pirelli, and would be interested to see a tyre war

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It's wrtiten 'replace' in the article's title. And that's what could happen.