Pirelli's motorsport director Paul Hembery has repeated at Korea that F1's sole tyre suppliers need to have more relevant tyre testing if it is to develop solid and reliable tyres for the 2014 season.
waynes wrote:Michelin coming in alongside Pirelli or replacing them?
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Wouldn't it be nice if there was actually something involving Formula One to talk about that concerned what happens on the track instead of off of it?Ecclestone has already signed a new commercial contract with Pirelli, who also have deals with a number of teams.
It astonishes me that Pirelli is still using that pink string. Everyone knows that orange string is far stronger and more pliable than pink string. It's a scientific fact!it's all down to them using pink string in the tyre construction.
This old chestnut. No-one asked them to make tyres which fail structurally. No-one asked for a "bad" tyre. They asked for degrading compounds.Just_a_fan wrote:It astonishes me that people are still blaming Pirelli for doing exatcly what Bernie wanted them to do - design a bad tyre. Tyre companies have spent decades designing tyres that have improved hugely over the years. Now they're asked to make a poor tyre. No wonder they've struggled to make a good "bad" tyre.
If I was Pirelli I'd just change the tyre and make it bomb proof and let Bernie go whistle...
Yeah the tyre failures are 100% pirellis fault, but before we had them ppl complained bout the degradation, which was orderd.Tim.Wright wrote:This old chestnut. No-one asked them to make tyres which fail structurally. No-one asked for a "bad" tyre. They asked for degrading compounds.Just_a_fan wrote:It astonishes me that people are still blaming Pirelli for doing exatcly what Bernie wanted them to do - design a bad tyre. Tyre companies have spent decades designing tyres that have improved hugely over the years. Now they're asked to make a poor tyre. No wonder they've struggled to make a good "bad" tyre.
If I was Pirelli I'd just change the tyre and make it bomb proof and let Bernie go whistle...
You can't link degreading rubber to the structural failures we have seen. Degradation is largely linked to the compound. Structural failures are more linked to the construction.
I repeat, F1 asked for degrading compounds, not structural failures.
The tyre failures are 100% Pirelli's fault. End of story.
The problem is that a lot of people can't distinguish between the two.Huntresa wrote:Yeah the tyre failures are 100% pirellis fault, but before we had them ppl complained bout the degradation, which was orderd.
That's a bit of a black/white perspective isn't it? I totally agree with you they weren't told to create delaminating tyres. They were told to create tyres that could replicate the 2010 canadian GP (they never truly did that, but whatever). Pirelli designed tyres that forced the teams to make more pitstops. That worked for a time, but teams started to learn those tyres. By the end of 2011, teams were back at the level of a year before, forcing pirelli to make the tyres softer and even less durable. That too worked in 2012, but this year it went wrong.Tim.Wright wrote:The problem is that a lot of people can't distinguish between the two.Huntresa wrote:Yeah the tyre failures are 100% pirellis fault, but before we had them ppl complained bout the degradation, which was orderd.
Every time this claim pops up that "Pirelli were told to make crap tyres" I try to squash it...
The testing ban was already in place before they started designing the tires. So there was more than enough time for parilli to take that into design considerations.turbof1 wrote:I don't think it is 100% their fault; I think it is 100% their responsibility, but the bad design got there also by the ban on testing and the need to make the tyres softer and quicker to wear down, so IMO not completely their fault.
crbassassin wrote:The testing ban was already in place before they started designing the tires. So there was more than enough time for parilli to take that into design considerations.turbof1 wrote:I don't think it is 100% their fault; I think it is 100% their responsibility, but the bad design got there also by the ban on testing and the need to make the tyres softer and quicker to wear down, so IMO not completely their fault.
Look at BBC´s broadcast. Gary and Paul had pictures of everything and it all makes perfect sense.Tim.Wright wrote:No, Pirelli said that. Charlie belived it.
