Pirelli 2013

[Tim.Wright]

No, Pirelli said that. Charlie belived it.

Look at BBC´s broadcast. Gary and Paul had pictures of everything and it all makes perfect sense.
The holes matches exactly the width of the piece they allegedly hit.

I haven't seen it but I find it strange that Paul has decided to go on TV with a piece of debris and a damaged tyre as if to say "see, this time it really was debris". After all the previous failures he avoided the issue every time he pressed for an answer.

Based on this I'm inclined to think:
1. At lease one of these failures actually was from debris
2. Every other failure this year wasn't

[marcush.]

how can you accept a contract to supply what is essentially prototype tyres when there is no testing of those tyres allowed?

In fact there is no testing ban to Pirelli but one for the teams ..so in essence Pirelli simply did wrong in their negotiations when it came to a supply of a proper test car .
First they used an old toyota with wrong ,bought some irrelevant HRt stuff and now they have some even more irrelevant Renault surplus for their tyre testing realising they do not have a car to produce the required loads ...and even more so for 2014 ...It´s part of the deal to have a test hack representing what is needed .You just have to allocate the resources to do your testing and if they forgot to put a budget for it in place ,then it´s their own fault.
Nobody asks for a 2014 legal car you need to produce something with a similar performance only.There are some companies around which could supply the goods -at a price.....the obvious choice here would be TMG in cologne -as they also have the
Electric drive expertise and right everything else you´d need to run a formula 1 car.

[strad]

@Tim

[WhiteBlue]

how can you accept a contract to supply what is essentially prototype tyres when there is no testing of those tyres allowed?

In fact there is no testing ban to Pirelli but one for the teams ..so in essence Pirelli simply did wrong in their negotiations when it came to a supply of a proper test car .
First they used an old toyota with wrong ,bought some irrelevant HRt stuff and now they have some even more irrelevant Renault surplus for their tyre testing realising they do not have a car to produce the required loads ...and even more so for 2014 ...It´s part of the deal to have a test hack representing what is needed .You just have to allocate the resources to do your testing and if they forgot to put a budget for it in place ,then it´s their own fault.
Nobody asks for a 2014 legal car you need to produce something with a similar performance only.There are some companies around which could supply the goods -at a price.....the obvious choice here would be TMG in cologne -as they also have the
Electric drive expertise and right everything else you´d need to run a formula 1 car.

I think you are getting a bit ahead of yourself here. Are we talking an additional $200m budget for a test car that obviously has to be a moving target as the performance parameters of the real teams evolve? TMG would have to replicate on a sliding scale what the teams and their engine suppliers are doing in their engine and chassis development program. How is that going to work out from a project management point of view and economically.

I'm firmly in the Michelin camp for next year but you have to be reasonable with Pirelli as well. I'm quite prepared to attribute responsibility for all failures to them but their main fault was listening to Ecclestone too much. They have delivered the safety argument to Todt on a silver plate, which could bring their competitor into F1. It would be very funny if safety in F1 wasn't so dead serious.

[flmkane]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/23824122

BBC reports that Michelin has had discussions with the FIA. They have agreed to 13 inch tyres. Apparently they want to be able to show off their tyre technology in F1.

BBC reports that Michelin claim to be able produce slick tyres that work in the rain

[rjsa]

BBC reports that Michelin claim to be able produce slick tyres that work in the rain

If this is true I want to hire them to take care of my stpck porfolio. Some magic could fix it I guess.

[Pierce89]

BBC reports that Michelin claim to be able produce slick tyres that work in the rain

If this is true I want to hire them to take care of my stpck porfolio. Some magic could fix it I guess.

Michelin used slick intermediates in the WEC. They're just slicks in a wet compound.

[Tim.Wright]

@Tim

I don't think its dead, I swear is saw it move just then...

[turbof1]

That's because you hit its nervous system.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ypZLnDaqo1M[/youtube]

[SectorOne]

No, Pirelli said that. Charlie belived it.

Look at BBC´s broadcast. Gary and Paul had pictures of everything and it all makes perfect sense.
The holes matches exactly the width of the piece they allegedly hit.

I haven't seen it but I find it strange that Paul has decided to go on TV with a piece of debris and a damaged tyre as if to say "see, this time it really was debris". After all the previous failures he avoided the issue every time he pressed for an answer.

Based on this I'm inclined to think:
1. At lease one of these failures actually was from debris
2. Every other failure this year wasn't

The reason he did it was just for you, to show you that indeed it was debris that caused the punctures.
Silverstone failures we know weren´t debris, which they have said themselves.
However in Bahrain, Hamilton have possibly run over debris.

Both Alonso and Vettel´s punctures were from the same piece of debris. The evidence matched up perfectly.

[SectorOne]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/23824122

BBC reports that Michelin has had discussions with the FIA. They have agreed to 13 inch tyres. Apparently they want to be able to show off their tyre technology in F1.

BBC reports that Michelin claim to be able produce slick tyres that work in the rain

Michelin has a point as well with the whole environmental thing. Having tires that disintegrates almost by looking at them is not very "green".

I hope Michelin comes onboard so we can get the best possible tires Michelin can make.

[Huntresa]

Dunno if anyone has raised the question but whoever supplies F1 needs to supply GP2 and GP3 or are they completely seperate deals ? I mean seeing as its Bernies stuff GP2/3 aswell.

[FW17]

Dunno if anyone has raised the question but whoever supplies F1 needs to supply GP2 and GP3 or are they completely seperate deals ? I mean seeing as its Bernies stuff GP2/3 aswell.

No connection

[WhiteBlue]

Dunno if anyone has raised the question but whoever supplies F1 needs to supply GP2 and GP3 or are they completely seperate deals ? I mean seeing as its Bernies stuff GP2/3 aswell.

That is for Bernie to worry about. But principally you are right. It would be bad to have different rubber on the track when F1 and GP2 have successive sessions on the weekend.

Michelin has apparently said that the short turnaround time - testing of next year's cars is supposed to commence in January - would not be a problem. ... Any decision on a tender will be taken at the meeting of the FIA's World Motor Sport Council next month.

Michelin returning isn't a foregone conclusion.

[autogyro]

how can you accept a contract to supply what is essentially prototype tyres when there is no testing of those tyres allowed?

In fact there is no testing ban to Pirelli but one for the teams ..so in essence Pirelli simply did wrong in their negotiations when it came to a supply of a proper test car .
First they used an old toyota with wrong ,bought some irrelevant HRt stuff and now they have some even more irrelevant Renault surplus for their tyre testing realising they do not have a car to produce the required loads ...and even more so for 2014 ...It´s part of the deal to have a test hack representing what is needed .You just have to allocate the resources to do your testing and if they forgot to put a budget for it in place ,then it´s their own fault.
Nobody asks for a 2014 legal car you need to produce something with a similar performance only.There are some companies around which could supply the goods -at a price.....the obvious choice here would be TMG in cologne -as they also have the
Electric drive expertise and right everything else you´d need to run a formula 1 car.

The powertrain is no problem F1 is basicaly a spec formula, they could deplicate that with a clockwork motor at a push.
TMG would then only have to ask Adrian Newey for the latest model aeroplane parts to keep up to speed on the chassis.