Pirelli's motorsport director Paul Hembery has repeated at Korea that F1's sole tyre suppliers need to have more relevant tyre testing if it is to develop solid and reliable tyres for the 2014 season.
Cuky wrote:I don't know if you are referring to Nurburgring 2005, but in that case it was cars right front suspension that had faild, rather than tirelebesset wrote:you haven't been watching long then ...of current drivers , ask kimi for example
notApineapple wrote:Cuky wrote:I don't know if you are referring to Nurburgring 2005, but in that case it was cars right front suspension that had faild, rather than tirelebesset wrote:you haven't been watching long then ...of current drivers , ask kimi for example
Whether it was the tyre or the suspension is a moot point. The massive flat spot on the tyre is why the reason for Kimi's failure in 2005. This wasn't due to a bad tyre design, but rather a retarded rule mandating 1 set of tyres for the complete race.
No I don't remember this either.Cuky wrote: I just can't really remember (and I have started watching F1 in mid 1999.) any case of thread completely falling of the tire just one corner after it has been flat spotted. Do you remember Massa in Bahrain in 2006? He lost control coming into T1 and had flat spotted all four tires. Yet, he managed to drive a whole lap back to the pit lane and change tires.
I agree completely. It strikes me as odd that this even has to be explained to people as it is so utterly obvious.Wheel locking and the resulting flatspots are part of racing. If your tyres fail due to a flatspot, your tyres aren't fit for racing. Like you said, Kimi drove 30 laps on his flat spotted Michelins. Perez did what.. a lap?
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Stupid rules are just so........STOOPID, ya know?This wasn't due to a bad tyre design, but rather a retarded rule mandating 1 set of tyres for the complete race.
Whats that supposed to prove? Like I said, the occasional delam occurred during the tyre war (and even before during the Goodyear era). By occasional I mean 2-3 per year, not per race...raymondu999 wrote:Yeesh. You guys have short memories
Turkey 2007, Lewis Hamilton
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sMi_A82Jq_w
The team got so worried that in Turkey 2008 Hamilton was the only(?) one to go on a planned 3-stopper.
This delam wasnt the same as the other ones tho so the delam in the video can be connected to this one, i guess thats what he means.notApineapple wrote:Whats that supposed to prove? Like I said, the occasional delam occurred during the tyre war (and even before during the Goodyear era). By occasional I mean 2-3 per year, not per race...raymondu999 wrote:Yeesh. You guys have short memories
Turkey 2007, Lewis Hamilton
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sMi_A82Jq_w
The team got so worried that in Turkey 2008 Hamilton was the only(?) one to go on a planned 3-stopper.
Find me a dozen more videos like that from the same year then we can talk...
There are flat spots and there are flat spots. When you literally wear through what could be called the tread all the way to the cord you are already separating the tire. It's layers and once you wear through the layers to the body of the tire, it's got very little choice but to come apart.Like you said, Kimi drove 30 laps on his flat spotted Michelins. Perez did what.. a lap?
so even in the days when proper tyre tested was still carried out there were still failures ?notApineapple wrote:Whats that supposed to prove? Like I said, the occasional delam occurred during the tyre war (and even before during the Goodyear era). By occasional I mean 2-3 per year, not per race...raymondu999 wrote:Yeesh. You guys have short memories
Turkey 2007, Lewis Hamilton
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sMi_A82Jq_w
The team got so worried that in Turkey 2008 Hamilton was the only(?) one to go on a planned 3-stopper.
Find me a dozen more videos like that from the same year then we can talk...
+1munudeges wrote:Pirelli blaming a flat spot for that is absolute beyond amateur hour. Gitanes Blondes on another thread is right. IRL lunacy here we come.
There's nothing stopping Pirelli from doing lab / rig durability testing, no? As is done in other race series, in passenger cars, etc.lebesset wrote:so even in the days when proper tyre tested was still carried out there were still failures ?
hardly a surprise what has happened under the current regime then , is it
Exactly what I have been saying. Tyres failing due to a flat spot it not normal and unacceptable."This is the first time we hear that from a lock-up the tyre can explode," he said. "Then, we hear that this is normal. I think this is not normal at all.
"I think we have seen a lot of lock ups. It is easy to lock up as well; it is a formula car, so it is quite normal that you can lock up.
"But what is not normal and we cannot get used to seeing is an explosion of the tyre with the tread coming out of the tyre. This is absolutely not acceptable from teams, from drivers. It is just not acceptable."
The tire nominations til the rest of the year are known, no risks taken:Blaming others is a poor strategy. Not simply because everyone can see through it. Or because it's dishonest. Or because it destroys relationships. Or even because, while trying to preserve our self-esteem, it actually weakens it. There's a more essential reason why blame is a bad idea: Blame prevents learning.
