Pirelli's motorsport director Paul Hembery has repeated at Korea that F1's sole tyre suppliers need to have more relevant tyre testing if it is to develop solid and reliable tyres for the 2014 season.
I'm being completely objective about it.strad wrote:Yes Tom...We all know you have a hard on for Pirelli.I still call that a half truth at most. I don't think Pirelli could deliver a better product than they currently bring.
At the same time, Pirelli are threatening to quit F1 if they have no assurance over testing - http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/110858Kimi Raikkonen says the chances of curing his qualifying issues are being hampered by the tyre usage restrictions that have been imposed over the second half of the campaign.
As reported by AUTOSPORT, Raikkonen has suffered a drop in qualifying form because the new Pirelli tyres used since the Hungarian Grand Prix do not suit his driving style.
Although he has made some progress on the issue in recent races, he revealed ahead of the Indian GP that he is being limited in what he can do by the camber and pressure restrictions that Pirelli have imposed on safety grounds.
"The limits on the cambers and pressures, they add up to a lot," he said, when asked by AUTOSPORT about how he was coping with the matter.
"There are not many things you can do, and unfortunately we are a bit stuck. If we were free to do with the cambers what we want, it would be a much easier thing.
"But that is how it is. I think for one lap it is an issue - but in the race it is not so much because you don't push as much in certain places
"Hopefully we can try to do other things, but then you start hurting in places that you were fine before.
"It is a never ending story and we are not really getting anywhere - so we have to try to figure it out. It is what it is, but we are not worried by it.
"In certain places yes I could go faster, but we have to try to live with it."
Despite fearing that the usage limits will prevent a total cure for his problems he thinks that some progress is being made.
"We have some plans and hopefully we can improve it a bit," he said. "I am sure we can do better than the last few races."
It's that simple? Gee, better hope nobody else sees this post.. I'll be out of a job..strad wrote:Look at the thermal imagery and concider the band of heat on the inside now. As long as they come upright in the corners the camber is correct.
Pirelli used to have a relevant test car of their own, wasn't it a 2010 Lotus? so I imagine they were able to test more with that car and so develop and deliver a better product. The truth is, they're developing blind and it's not surprising that we're seeing the problems we are. however, isn't this the problem with having a 'control tyre'. Different cars have different characteristics, different versions of the pirelli tyre will suit different teams, how do they decide which is the right way to go with the tyre in a fair way? Its impossible.Pierce89 wrote:That's a strange position when Pirelli have previously delivered a better product than the current one. Sure maybe they can't deliver tires on the level of Bridget one, but their previous(11-12) F1 tires are better along with hurd they dliver to other series.Jersey Tom wrote:I still call that a half truth at most. I don't think Pirelli could deliver a better product than they currently bring.MOWOG wrote:Bernie disagrees with you, no matter how sensible your position may be. He ORDERED Pirelli to spice up the show and, since they know damn well what side their bread is buttered on, they complied.
It´s not just about getting the optimal contact patch.strad wrote:People often want too much camber...Kimi is dreaming and hoping that that would cure his woes.
Look at the thermal imagery and concider the band of heat on the inside now. As long as they come upright in the corners the camber is correct. Do you think he is saying that he is not getting a full contact patch? I don't think so. They have plenty of camber in the corners,,they are looking for more straight line speed by reducing the patch when going straight imo. It's foolishness. Kimi doesn't need more camber, he needs a better car.
I certainly disagree. The car was OK pre-new tires, and Kimi was a regular podium contender. Since then, the car itself hasn't changed much, and the drop in his form is visible, as opposed to Grosjean, who seem to be suited more with the latest generation of tires. Similar to what we've seen in Force India and Sauber - down and up.strad wrote: Kimi doesn't need more camber, he needs a better car.
surely it is up to the driver to extract the maximum available from the car ; clearly kimi is not doing that so it is more than a little naive of him to blame the equipment , grosjean has shown what the car is capable of achieving in quallyKiril Varbanov wrote:I certainly disagree. The car was OK pre-new tires, and Kimi was a regular podium contender. Since then, the car itself hasn't changed much, and the drop in his form is visible, as opposed to Grosjean, who seem to be suited more with the latest generation of tires. Similar to what we've seen in Force India and Sauber - down and up.strad wrote: Kimi doesn't need more camber, he needs a better car.
I can't really tell if it's down to limitations, etc, but I assume it's not that straightforward and that Kimi knows better than me and I "don't have to remind him"...
The sauber has changed tho, they brought a pretty big upgrade package to Hungary that has played out well and at the same time they got the new tires so it was something good ontop of something good which was just a lucky star for sauber compared to the FI car who doesnt seem to have changed much since last year even...Kiril Varbanov wrote:I certainly disagree. The car was OK pre-new tires, and Kimi was a regular podium contender. Since then, the car itself hasn't changed much, and the drop in his form is visible, as opposed to Grosjean, who seem to be suited more with the latest generation of tires. Similar to what we've seen in Force India and Sauber - down and up.strad wrote: Kimi doesn't need more camber, he needs a better car.
I can't really tell if it's down to limitations, etc, but I assume it's not that straightforward and that Kimi knows better than me and I "don't have to remind him"...
Raikkonen has shown what it is capable of in races - over two years no less. You can't have it all ways. I've even seen some criticism of Alonso's qualifying performances, but people who do so conveniently paint over that whatever you have in qualifying you take into races and that's what you live with. That and the fact that people assume that the Lotus and Ferrari should be as fast relative in qualifying as they appear to be in races. Not so.lebesset wrote:grosjean has shown what the car is capable of achieving in qually
alonso is top rated as he has demonstrated the ability to adapt his style
Whether they quit or not, or whether they have testing time, it will make no difference. Next year will be an utter joke when combining these tyres with the new engines.Kiril Varbanov wrote:At the same time, Pirelli are threatening to quit F1 if they have no assurance over testing - http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/110858
And I thought they will bring more conservative tyres. And the tests should rather help them to prevent next season to be a "utter joke"munudeges wrote:Whether they quit or not, or whether they have testing time, it will make no difference. Next year will be an utter joke when combining these tyres with the new engines.Kiril Varbanov wrote:At the same time, Pirelli are threatening to quit F1 if they have no assurance over testing - http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/110858
