Some interesting developments.....http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/24690717Indian GP: Pirelli wants limited tyre running on safety grounds
Apparently the FIA will not sanction Pirelli's request.
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Pirelli's motorsport director Paul Hembery has repeated at Korea that F1's sole tyre suppliers need to have more relevant tyre testing if it is to develop solid and reliable tyres for the 2014 season.
Some interesting developments.....http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/24690717Indian GP: Pirelli wants limited tyre running on safety grounds
I don't know if that is an admission that their tires are simply not up to the task (my opinion is they never have been) but I often wonder how they justify going along with this type of tire. Their current ultimatum that they will walk if they cannot test the 2014 tires before winter testing is interesting. Since the FIA have to sanction that test, I wonder if this is Todt's way of forcing them out of F1 altogether? If he is as keen on getting Michelin back as the tire supplier, this would be a good way to get Pirelli out since it would be their choice.“We are disappointed to see that some teams went against our recommendations and used the compounds for longer than we advised them to do." -Paul Hembrey
"But the teams are frustrated with Pirelli because it is refusing to pay the costs for the tests it wants to do. So far, Pirelli has only offered to pay for circuit hire.GitanesBlondes wrote:I don't know if that is an admission that their tires are simply not up to the task (my opinion is they never have been) but I often wonder how they justify going along with this type of tire. Their current ultimatum that they will walk if they cannot test the 2014 tires before winter testing is interesting. Since the FIA have to sanction that test, I wonder if this is Todt's way of forcing them out of F1 altogether? If he is as keen on getting Michelin back as the tire supplier, this would be a good way to get Pirelli out since it would be their choice.“We are disappointed to see that some teams went against our recommendations and used the compounds for longer than we advised them to do." -Paul Hembrey
You must surely be joking.at a time when costs in F1 are a major concern.
I can assure you that ditching the current engine and aero regulations are costing the teams MILLIONS of pounds. Do you really think 10 or 20 thousand pounds would amount to a major concern for any of them? 
You must surely be joking. I can assure you that ditching the current engine and aero regulations are costing the teams MILLIONS of pounds. Do you really think 10 or 20 thousand pounds would amount to a major concern for any of them?
I´d say that´s exactly the reason why that would amount to a major concern.MOWOG wrote:You must surely be joking.at a time when costs in F1 are a major concern.
I have to agree....it was obvious Red Bull did not get the tires correct till...well, you know that "thing" happened.bhallg2k wrote:Adrian Newey is full of ---. His team, just like all others, tested the original 2013-spec tires in Brazil last year and, based upon their early-season whining about the tires, did not make the most of that information.
To be fair, track testing doesn't tell you as much about tires as you might think. Sometimes, doesn't really tell you much of anything.bhallg2k wrote:Adrian Newey is full of ---. His team, just like all others, tested the original 2013-spec tires in Brazil last year and, based upon their early-season whining about the tires, did not make the most of that information.
Yeah right, based on maybe 100 kilometers of free-practice on 2013 spec tires on 2012 spec cars somehow magically enabled lotus and ferrari to collect enough data to design their entire car purely around thembhallg2k wrote:Adrian Newey is full of ---. His team, just like all others, tested the original 2013-spec tires in Brazil last year and, based upon their early-season whining about the tires, did not make the most of that information.
Teams may have equal opportunity to collect limited or no data, for sure. Depending on the circumstance sometimes that really favors the best engineers, sometimes it really neutralizes advantage.bhallg2k wrote:That's fair enough. But I think teams can't ask for much more than equal opportunities to collect data. Red Bull had that.