2015 Pre-season Testing

[Chene_Mostert]

We can also conclude that last year Lotus was not in a position to do a 1:25

Well, there was a test in 2014...
http://www.f1technical.net/forum/viewto ... 89#p561489

Yes SS tyres should be slightly faster than soft on low fuel.
Also, this being the first day of test, I think there is more to come, this makes the improvements even more impressive.

[the EDGE]

I have just been reading mclarens day 1 test report

http://www.mclaren.com/formula1/car/rep ... t-day-one/

Interestingly it makes no mention of engine testing and states the team have been working on balance/set-up work and will continue to do so tomorrow... Not bad for day 1 of test 2 with a brand new PU

[Chene_Mostert]

I have just been reading mclarens day 1 test report

http://www.mclaren.com/formula1/car/rep ... t-day-one/

Interestingly it makes no mention of engine testing and states the team have been working on balance/set-up work and will continue to do so tomorrow... Not bad for day 1 of test 2 with a brand new PU

No it was a bad day. only 21 laps and a broken PU. McLaren PR just adding a twist of positive

[the EDGE]

I have just been reading mclarens day 1 test report

http://www.mclaren.com/formula1/car/rep ... t-day-one/

Interestingly it makes no mention of engine testing and states the team have been working on balance/set-up work and will continue to do so tomorrow... Not bad for day 1 of test 2 with a brand new PU

No it was a bad day. only 21 laps and a broken PU. McLaren PR just adding a twist of positive

The other suppliers all suffered these problems or worst last year, what makes you think Honda are so special that they shouldn't, their only teething issues. I have to admit I was a little concerned until today but the fact is the car runs competitively and its not failed to make it back to the box yet (touch wood)...a lot more than can be said of the other 3 suppliers this year

[Chene_Mostert]

I have just been reading mclarens day 1 test report

http://www.mclaren.com/formula1/car/rep ... t-day-one/

Interestingly it makes no mention of engine testing and states the team have been working on balance/set-up work and will continue to do so tomorrow... Not bad for day 1 of test 2 with a brand new PU

No it was a bad day. only 21 laps and a broken PU. McLaren PR just adding a twist of positive

The other suppliers all suffered these problems or worst last year, what makes you think Honda are so special that they shouldn't, their only teething issues. I have to admit I was a little concerned until today but the fact is the car runs competitively and its not failed to make it back to the box yet (touch wood)...a lot more than can be said of the other 3 suppliers this year

Still a bad day, believe you me, the team would rather have 42 laps rather than 21 laps on the board and no amount of PR can change the reality.

[Chene_Mostert]

An interesting scenario that might unfold in 2015:

Considering that Mercedes AMG F1 has Brawn-Mercedes GP DNA, the possibility exists that we might have a repeat of the 2009 onto 2010 scenario.

2009: Brawn-Mercedes dominates with DDD, other teams are delayed with implementing due to FIA red tape and massive structural changes required to implement DDD.
2010: Other teams redesign and catch up, and Mercedes W01 (Brawn). is uninspiring.

Fast track to 2014:
Mercedes AMG F1 dominates with brilliant V6 Turbo Hybrid.
Other teams unable to make significant improvements in season due to FIA engine "freeze", thereby assisting and offering guarantee to Mercedes AMG F1 to maintain their advantage for the season.

2015: Other teams redesign 48% of PU and catch up, and Mercedes AMG F1 W06 is...

[ME4ME]

Why do you submit this post to more than one thread?

[CBeck113]

Sauber & Williams were called to explain the earlier collision.

Spanked backside for Wolff. Somebody check the offices for signs of Max Mosley..

Except for the fact that the track cameras caught the accident and showed that Nasr cut over too soon and clipper Wolf's front wing...bummer for the male chauvinist I guess...

http://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/form ... 67581.html

[turbof1]

Why do you submit this post to more than one thread?

Agreed, and for the record: it does not belong in the car thread, so I removed it there. For what it is worth, I don't even believe that type of wild speculation belongs anywhere. It's testing, nobody plays with their cards wide open now.

Especially not Mercedes, and especially not with homologation now possible any time and as many times possible during the season. Imagine Mercedes going all out and showing their true performance, then the others can base themselves on that for their token allocations.

[Chene_Mostert]

Why exclude Merc, and why is it pointless? have all teams except merc now stopped developing their cars?

Because there are plenty of reasons most of them already explained above: I would add an important political one for me: merc does not want to show its overwhelming superiority before next strategy group meeting.
this does not mean that it is ABSOLUTELY SURE that merc is not pushing but it is really extremely likely ...while, in my opinion it is oppositely extremely unlikely that ALL other teams except ferrari are not pushing

No reasons have been stated or explained. Only speculated.

We all are speculating, including you. None of us have any proof of the true intentions.

However, there are enough arguments in favor of Mercedes holding back. Infact, and this is a statement coming from the team itself, is that they are not interested at all in quick runs. They are only doing runs with maximum fuel load.

Further fact is that they are running rakes of aero sensors. Now I can tell you that you don't want that breaking off on a kerb because you were pushing the car.

Mercedes out on collecting data, and collecting data requires driving smoothly and easy, not pushing.[/quote]

As you said turboF1 we all speculate

[turbof1]

Yes we do . I agree, we know nothing and everything can be looked as speculation with increasing stringity. You have to agree though that drawing parallel's to the Brawn-Mercedes transition is a step too far. A team that had laid off half of its work force in 2009 which had to be rebuild during the following years,is not the same team when it is rebuild.

There is speculation like the ones that crashed the stock markets, and there is speculation with reason and logic. It is very fair to assume that the ones who had such a strong head start last year, didn't laid back. Will the performance deficit be diminished? We don't know, but in all fairness we can assume that the competition managed to close it by a bit. Are they back on equal grounds? That's something I don't believe and for the matter neither does Renault or Ferrari (official statements).

[Chene_Mostert]

Why do you submit this post to more than one thread?

Just a mistake on my part, sorry was not trying to offend you
Anyway TurboF1 helped me back in line, won't happen again

[f1316]

https://twitter.com/andrewbensonf1/stat ... 4426833920 For what it's worth, I think there was a reasonable point in the above :

People often state that a team who starts a particular rules era on top invariably maintain that advantage - it's difficult to overturn. But in the last rules era exactly that happened and this era is not dissimilar - diminishing returns and all that.

Speculation it may be but if we take the usual "can't judge anything from testing " then what else are you left with?

[Jonnycraig]

Sauber & Williams were called to explain the earlier collision.

Spanked backside for Wolff. Somebody check the offices for signs of Max Mosley..

Except for the fact that the track cameras caught the accident and showed that Nasr cut over too soon and clipper Wolf's front wing...bummer for the male chauvinist I guess...

http://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/form ... 67581.html

As said earlier in the thread, Wolff admitted not having seen Nasr, and turning into the corner, despite being on a slowdown lap.

[Chene_Mostert]

Yes we do . I agree, we know nothing and everything can be looked as speculation with increasing stringity. You have to agree though that drawing parallel's to the Brawn-Mercedes transition is a step too far. A team that had laid off half of its work force in 2009 which had to be rebuild during the following years,is not the same team when it is rebuild.

There is speculation like the ones that crashed the stock markets, and there is speculation with reason and logic. It is very fair to assume that the ones who had such a strong head start last year, didn't laid back. Will the performance deficit be diminished? We don't know, but in all fairness we can assume that the competition managed to close it by a bit. Are they back on equal grounds? That's something I don't believe and for the matter neither does Renault or Ferrari (official statements).

Yes, I was just applying some logic, with the PU restrictions in terms of Fuel flow, energy harvesting and energy deployment in place there is only a finite amount of power to be gained. The Law of diminishing returns also plays a much bigger role with such tight technical restrictions.
Merc had a very highly developed PU in 2014 compared to the conservative approaches by the other engine suppliers.
Taking this into consideration, we will se that the "under performing" engines will make a much bigger step forward than Merc and we will have a much more competitive season, in fact, we will have a title fight. Very good for F1! =D>