2015 Canadian Grand Prix - 5-7 June

[diffuser]

I like to see them extend the track at the hairpin in sector 2 to the adjacent island (St Helene's). There I would put a few high speed curvesssssss then comeback over to Notre-dame and do the straight.

[Sevach]

So James Allen is reporting that Ferrari have supposedly gained ~30hp with the new PU, which they will be using in Canada.

I personally think this might be a close race. Can't wait till Saturday! I think one of the Mercedes will be on pole, but I wouldn't be surprised to see Vettel splitting them...

That sure is incredible from 3 measly tokens

[Mr.G]

We will see soon, however there is still chance that Merecedes with the new PUs will bring some HP too. Even they don't used tokens, they surly have some "reliability /cost reduction" updates for theirs PUs. How much can they gain 3-5 HP?

[Manoah2u]

So James Allen is reporting that Ferrari have supposedly gained ~30hp with the new PU, which they will be using in Canada.

I personally think this might be a close race. Can't wait till Saturday! I think one of the Mercedes will be on pole, but I wouldn't be surprised to see Vettel splitting them...

That sure is incredible from 3 measly tokens

We will see soon, however there is still chance that Merecedes with the new PUs will bring some HP too. Even they don't used tokens, they surly have some "reliability /cost reduction" updates for theirs PUs. How much can they gain 3-5 HP?

+2.

If Ferrari is able to gain 30hp from 3 tokens, then it could - depending offcourse whether they have not already 'exhausted' the 'development' potential in certain areas - mean the same would go for Merc should they opt for 3 tokens aswell.

I'm not sure 30 hp is all that much though. Sure, it'll help by a good margin - but 10hp per token sounds about right.

Though these figures reasonably come from thin air, it was suggested last year the Ferrari unit was what, 70hp down on the Merc engine? I think that was quite excessive, but if it would be around or less true, and if Merc had not improved this year power-wise, and Ferrari already started with a closer power figure and now is able to improve 30 hp, it would mean they are suddenly much closer.

I doubt these figures are true though and i doubt even more Mercedes being unable to improve by the same margin.

I'm particularly curious about Ferrari's reliability after these 'updates'.

[Andres125sx]

Though these figures reasonably come from thin air, it was suggested last year the Ferrari unit was what, 70hp down on the Merc engine? I think that was quite excessive, but if it would be around or less true, and if Merc had not improved this year power-wise, and Ferrari already started with a closer power figure and now is able to improve 30 hp, it would mean they are suddenly much closer.

[Vasconia]

So James Allen is reporting that Ferrari have supposedly gained ~30hp with the new PU, which they will be using in Canada.

I personally think this might be a close race. Can't wait till Saturday! I think one of the Mercedes will be on pole, but I wouldn't be surprised to see Vettel splitting them...

That sure is incredible from 3 measly tokens

If they can do this with only 3 tokens, what they can do with the rest? 200hp more? it makes no sense for me.

[GPR-A duplicate2]

Quite honestly, no one really has any clue as to what is Merc cars' (PU + Chassis) ultimate performance. Every time Ferrari seems to have come closer at a race, Merc stretches away in the next and they have neither introduced their second ICE (other than Lewis' second EC) yet Nor have they bolted on any significant aero upgrades (other than a front wing at Chinese GP). They seems to be fighting the ghosts of last year's reliability woes and are content in controlling the races (keeping their cars safer in terms of reliability), rather than putting their ultimate power on display. What amount of upgrades (PU + Chassis) are going to be enough to compete AND/OR beat the Mercs, might be a big question mark for Ferrari.

As per many experts on different web sites, a 30 BHP addition is going to add three tenths per lap to the car's performance. Is that enough? Do we all honestly think Merc is leading Ferrari by only three tenths? Definitely not in qualifying, based on what we have seen so far. Race is still an open question (considering above mentioned).

[George-Jung]

Shell is also introducing a new type of fuel... together with the tokens it has been rumored to be around 30hp..

..Indiscretions in Italy suggest that the revised areas of the Ferrari engine are in the area of combustion, camshafts and pistons, while long term technical partner Shell has provided a new fuel, which contributes to the power boost from the revised package....

[piast9]

They stopped doing it for a few years, don't remember when, but I'm sure they did it 3 or 4 years ago

edit: found this video from 2010
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BAyIKuqSSsY

Great find, thanks! Bu there were only two teams racing... Too bad I think. Events such like these are important and there should be more of these. They show that the whole F1 thing is fun and entertainment.

[ChrisF1]

You would think Red Bull and Toro Rosso would be there, especially considering Adrian Newey's love of both winning and nautical designs.

[Juzh]

I'm not sure 30 hp is all that much though. Sure, it'll help by a good margin

If we go by renault's Remi Taffin from some years ago 80 bhp is worth ~2s of laptime round monza. So that's around 0,75s benefit for 30 bhp increase. Canada is somewhat less power dependant (but still a lot) compared to monza, so I'd say 0.5s is in the realm of possibility IF 30 bhp rumours are to be believed (unlikely). And that is a lot imo.

[godlameroso]

Ferrari is down about .5-1.2 seconds per lap slower than Mercedes depending on the track, so if they can shave .3 off their deficit, they'll be a little closer, they need to improve by another half second relative to Mercedes to be competitive.

[GPR-A duplicate2]

I'm not sure 30 hp is all that much though. Sure, it'll help by a good margin

If we go by renault's Remi Taffin from some years ago 80 bhp is worth ~2s of laptime round monza. So that's around 0,75s benefit for 30 bhp increase. Canada is somewhat less power dependant (but still a lot) compared to monza, so I'd say 0.5s is in the realm of possibility IF 30 bhp rumours are to be believed (unlikely). And that is a lot imo.

FERRARI HOPING TO CHALLENGE MERCEDES WITH 30HP BOOST FROM NEW DEVELOPMENT ENGINE - JamesAllenonF1

It will be interesting to see how much closer the new Ferrari power unit brings them to the Mercedes cars. The gap in qualifying has been around 7/10ths of a second and there should be around 3/10ths in the power unit upgrade, if the indiscretions on the extent of the update are accurate. The gap in races, however has been less (apart from Spain, where Ferrari struggled with the tyres)

[George-Jung]

Ferrari is down about .5-1.2 seconds per lap slower than Mercedes depending on the track, so if they can shave .3 off their deficit, they'll be a little closer, they need to improve by another half second relative to Mercedes to be competitive.

Most of that is in the tires.. Ferrari is notoriously bad on harder compounds.. therefor the gaps increase in races which include the harder compounds..

[Juzh]

I'm not sure 30 hp is all that much though. Sure, it'll help by a good margin

If we go by renault's Remi Taffin from some years ago 80 bhp is worth ~2s of laptime round monza. So that's around 0,75s benefit for 30 bhp increase. Canada is somewhat less power dependant (but still a lot) compared to monza, so I'd say 0.5s is in the realm of possibility IF 30 bhp rumours are to be believed (unlikely). And that is a lot imo.

FERRARI HOPING TO CHALLENGE MERCEDES WITH 30HP BOOST FROM NEW DEVELOPMENT ENGINE - JamesAllenonF1

It will be interesting to see how much closer the new Ferrari power unit brings them to the Mercedes cars. The gap in qualifying has been around 7/10ths of a second and there should be around 3/10ths in the power unit upgrade, if the indiscretions on the extent of the update are accurate. The gap in races, however has been less (apart from Spain, where Ferrari struggled with the tyres)

Obviously I gave a rough estimate. 3/10 seems on the low side tbh, considering old 80bhp kers was worth 3-4/10 in a measly 6.7s.